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Old Mar 29th 2011, 04:44 PM   #1
  Aug 2010
  New Stanton PA
As everyone knows, there are always two sides to every story. Often, it can be difficult to determine which is the closest to the truth. Unfortunately, the more popular one wins everyone’s attention whether or not it is the truth. The necessary research is not performed before the story gets passed along to the next person and is accepted as truth once more. The further the story gets passed on, the further from the truth it becomes, and the facts are misconstrued and lost in the process.

The point I am trying to make is if this business is going to be successful, we all need to start working together and being more competent and reliable. We need to be careful and do some background research on information we receive and its resource and not assume everything we hear is in fact the truth. We all know what happens when we assume…

Without taking the approach to work together, this business is going to fall apart quickly. It has already made a turn for the worse, and anyone who does not notice this is living under a rock.

Now would be a good time to take a moment to introduce myself. My name is Michael Goodman, and I was born into this business. As many of you know, my dad is Mick Goodman, and he has been raising deer for over twenty-seven years. He was actually one of the first people to start raising deer when he started Goodman’s Whitetail Haven. My younger brother Andy has been involved with the deer all of his life as well.

Being around deer all my life, I have seen what has gone on and changed throughout the years. The one issue that has bothered me the most is seeing pedigrees of animals that are not truthful, complete, based on fact, or it could be a total lie. The reason for the faulty information stems back to assuming the truth instead of taking the time to get the correct information. Credit needs to be given where credit is due. There is a reason these deer exist, and it is because of their ancestors which were propagated by the founders of this business. If not for them, who is to say raising deer could be something we would have the choice to do today, or that such leaps and bounds of progress could have been achieved in this industry?

This is why it is so important for people to be responsible when they share information and ensure it is true. More respect should be given to those who started this industry and have made it a reality.

My feelings are based on an actual example I have experienced during my time in the deer industry. Years ago when we started raising deer, it was harder, and it took a lot longer to build up a herd. You could not just go out and buy deer anywhere to get started right away. There were only a handful of people in Pennsylvania at the time that raised deer. Sure, we bought deer, but most were acquired through the Pennsylvania Game Commission. They would bring an orphaned fawn or a fawn that was ignorantly taken in by someone who thought it had been abandoned by its mother. These fawns were brought to us to save them and give them a chance. This is unheard of today. The Game Commission takes these fawns into their own hands now and decides their fate.

These fawns are where we got most of our deer, and we bred these deer to produce a larger herd. We were able to produce a lot of respectable deer in this manner. We realized over the years we had a particular doe that produced nice bucks no matter what she was bred with. This doe was named Sugar, and she was one of the fawns we received through the Game Commission. She was found by a high school student who was keeping her in his car in Greene County. She was in fact from the wild of Pennsylvania. We took great care of her and she was one of our breeders. Sugar was one of the best producing does we ever had. As she was raised and cared for by us, she is one of the Goodman Foundation does.

There is a reason I just explained the origin of Sugar. One year we bred her to the buck we felt was the best choice. As a result, she had twin buck fawns in the spring much to our surprise. We kept these two bucks until they got their first racks. That fall, Andy Foor came to buy some deer from us, and became interested in the two bucks. My dad offered to sell him one of the twin yearlings that was a 9 point. We had decided to keep the other one who was a ten point and had split G2s. Andy Foor took my dad up on his offer and took the buck he would name Ratchet home that day.

Ratchet has produced a lot of big deer for Andy Foor, and for Mark Price who used Ratchet as a breeder. From Ratchet was spawned Liberty, Freedom, and many other well known bucks. We kept the other twin for another year and he produced another respectable rack. Once it was time to sell more deer in the fall, we received interest from Roy Yoder. Roy and his acquaintances came to get the deer they were interested in. During this visit, Roy became interested in the twin we kept, and purchased him.

Once Roy got the deer home, he allowed his brother-in-law Ben Coblentz to use the twin as a breeder buck. This is how the deer got the name Redoy Ben (Yoder spelled backwards and Ben). Anyone who has done their research will find that Redoy Ben produced Stickers of Texas. Stickers produced a buck known today as Texas Tea. There are countless other big bucks that have been produced from Redoy Ben and his offspring. Redoy Ben and Ratchet are some of the best producers in the business today, and will continue to be in the future.

This is by far one of the best bloodlines in the business and most reliable producers of big bucks. Who would have thought this bloodline came from a doe from the wild of Greene County Pennsylvania and adopted into the Foundation Herd of Goodman’s Whitetail Haven founded by Mick Goodman? Sugar produced two of the greatest producing bucks in the industry.

Why do I need to tell you this anyway, you should know. You did your research, right?

Michael John Goodman

References: Mick Goodman, Andy Foor, Dave Creegan
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Old Mar 29th 2011, 05:56 PM   #2
  Aug 2010
all i can say is mickey has some quality animals and was one of the first to produce a 200 inch whitetail all from his own genetics the ratchet line seems to be very underated or mickey just doesnt get the credit he deserves i have 2 does linebred with mickeys genetics and had 2 real nice yearlings out of them last year im sure if you look hard enough his pedigrees show up some where in a leg of your pedigree wether it be from sickers redoy ben texas tea freedom liberty these deer are all from either ratchet or redoy ben mick if your reading hopefully youll get some recognition back once again was that a bucky doe or that game comission greene county doe lol
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Old Mar 29th 2011, 06:19 PM   #3
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota
Michael, Congrats to your family, they have done a great service to the industry. I have owned Redoy Weatherby for serveral years, he is a son of Redoy Ben. He was 240 inches at 4 years and was very clean and well balanced, hard to find today. He was born in 1999 and to this day I have a hard time finding a buck I like as well as him. If you can make another one like him let me know. I have heard a lot of good comments of the Goodman name from the older breeders. Gary Olson
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Old Mar 29th 2011, 07:37 PM   #4
  Apr 2009
  IA / USA

Years ago I bought a buck named Uno from your dad. Any idea on the background of Uno?
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Old Mar 30th 2011, 06:20 AM   #5
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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That is a great story of the "beginnings" of PA deer farming. Thank you for sharing.
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Old Mar 30th 2011, 04:59 PM   #6
  Oct 2009
  Rush, NY
Thanks for sharing that great information. I love to hear where some of our most famous animals got their start. I love to listen to Dean Ziegler tell about his early animals, how they got their names and who they went to. Reminds me of the Oscar/Prince line.

Sandy Malone

Prime Whitetails

Rush, NY
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Old Mar 30th 2011, 07:20 PM   #7
  Aug 2010
  New Stanton PA
Wild Obsession Whitetails: that was a Goodman Buck and a Greene County Game Commission doe we called Sugar that produced the buck called Redoy Ben that we sold to Roy Yoder.
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Old Mar 30th 2011, 07:22 PM   #8
  Aug 2010
  New Stanton PA

As soon as we go back through our records, we will post the pedigree of Uno.


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Old Mar 30th 2011, 07:29 PM   #9
  Aug 2010
  New Stanton PA

I just tried to purchase the straw of Weatherby Jr. from WT Exchange. Just another example of the kind of bucks being produced from the Ratchet / Redoy Ben / Goodman Foundation line along with the Oscar / Prince line. Hopefully there will be another straw of Weatherby Jr for auction in the near future. I would love to put this in one of my foundation does to see what it produces.
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Old Mar 31st 2011, 07:36 AM   #10
  Dec 2010
  the beautiful farm country of western NY
Sandy, I agree with you. I too based my small operation on Oscar/Prince background and was thinking the same as you when I read this. Michael Goodman, thank you for taking the time to show us some more of our "roots" and I hope more in this industry recognize some of the consistent producers of the past...and present. Gary Olson, I also am a big fan of weatherby, to this day his past big typical frame stands out and I hear good things about his offspring. Great post.
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Old Mar 31st 2011, 09:59 AM   #11
  Apr 2009
  Ewing, Illinois
If you have ever been out to Ben Coblentz's farm you will see that he is still using that same Redoy Ben line. He has some of the best big clean deer I have seen on a farm. The most upsetting part is he lost his CWD status (over paperwork issues) and is sending his deer to the preserve so he can regain his status and start over. If you have anything from these lines they are keepers!

I have a few does that come from Redoy Ben II who I believe is a womb Brother to Weatherby, Or at least a full brother. They have been very consistent with good mass, and 6x frames.

Great line of Deer! Thanks for the history lesson Michael.
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Old Mar 31st 2011, 04:57 PM   #12
  Oct 2009
  Rush, NY
gwhaven..check Whitetail Exchange there is another straw of Weatherby Jr. available. If you don't win one in the auction, I'm sure we can set you up. I'm not familiar with Redoy Ben II but I do know that Weatherby is out of Redoy Ben and a Redoy Bill doe.

Sandy Malone

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Rush, NY
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Old Mar 31st 2011, 07:39 PM   #13
  Jun 2010
  rossiter pa
well said micky its all i have here for my bloodlines and i bread with a 165inch yearling and am happy with how the have grown thanks agine to micky goodman and dave creegan for all there had work
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Old Apr 1st 2011, 06:42 PM   #14
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  May 2009
  Chillicothe, Missouri
Just another example of predictability from a certain line. If you do your homework in advance and plan your herd more around constant production from a line and achieving your goals........GOOD THINGS WILL HAPPEN!!!!
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Old Apr 2nd 2011, 05:18 PM   #15
  Aug 2010
  New Stanton PA

I'm going to try again this week.
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