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Old Jan 12th 2014, 07:14 AM   #31
 
  Apr 2009
  Williamsport, PA


Does this check off system apply to all sales including privayte off the farm or just auction sales?
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 07:20 AM   #32
 
  Aug 2012
  Waynesville, Ohio
Scott,

You have my attention! My question is what do you have in mind? How is $20,000.00 enough to actually fund and develop a CWD test?
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 07:28 AM   #33
 
  Apr 2009
  Gillett WI
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Scott,

You have my attention! My question is what do you have in mind? How is $20,000.00 enough to actually fund and develop a CWD test


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$20,000 each of 10 investors would give the base to fund CWD blood test and legal to seek patent.
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 08:15 AM   #34
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  Oct 2009
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Does this check off system apply to all sales including privayte off the farm or just auction sales?




All sales if there would be a way but i believe that would be tough. *I thought just the auctions and the weekly exchange auctions would get a good base of people in our industry. If there was a way to get all sales then by all means!
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 08:18 AM   #35
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$20,000 each of 10 investors would give the base to fund CWD blood test and legal to seek patent.




That would be awesome Scott but then you are back to the 10% doing something for this industry. If we could get the same amount out of say 500 people in the industry it may play out a bit better! *Either way this test needs to get done to bury this once and for all.
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 08:49 AM   #36
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN


The researches need 120K for this next go around to get us more #'s. My understanding they are just wrapping up on a paper on how quickly prions show up in the blood after exposure, which is also very important and will tell us how often a herd that has CWD should be retested.


There are still some unknowns until Laurie talks to Dr Clifford. He can give her a better idea of how many more #'s we need for approval of the live test and how it should be implemented.


He has been unavailable over the holidays.* Scott, Laurie is who you need to talk to. I will be on the committee for the live test with the ACA,but everything is just unfolding. **
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 09:50 AM   #37
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  Apr 2009
  Burlington, West Virginia

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As one of the small guys,(LOL) mainly due to my State's regulations. I would be willing to give up the 5% of my sales, to help in the fight that will in the long run benefit my animals. If anyone else is willing, just say so.
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 11:00 AM   #38
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  Chillicothe, Missouri
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What if each State had a "CHECK OFF" Program were EVERY Buck sold generated $100. ? What IF Breeder sells to a Preserve that breeder Donates $100. from his check for each buck sold. Each Preserve donates $100. from each Buck bought and Preserve adds $100. to each Hunter that harvest a Buck ?


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$300. generated Every Time a Buck is SOLD? Breeder,Preserve and Customers ALL working for the "Product".............WE ALL LOVE to Raise,Sell and Hunt ?


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That way the "Donation" to help each State is evenly distributed to ALL ?


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How BIG could that "WAR CHEST" get ??




I believe *this type "Check Off" would be easier to Police...............You Know number of preserves,You know number of producers,You know number of hunters...........Everything could be verified through each States Ag,DNR ect as to health papers for transport and would place finacial burden on ALL not just the backs of a few ? Be less of "ME Or WE did this and MORE of The Industry united did THIS TOGETHER"!*


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Transparency ?


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Have we had enough of a self serving perception of our Industry ...........?


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IF we had a Blood Test.......................Would we be MORE likely of finding CWD in a game of Russian Roulete ? Because EVERY time you tested you farm and animals LIVES would be on the line ? Yes? *No ?
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Old Jan 12th 2014, 11:11 AM   #39
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

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I've been in this business for over thirty year.* I'm all for a live test and will support it as it will help the industry.


After watching how the agencies work I do see a problem also coming our way when we have a live test that the industry will have to try to get control of.* Just like the agencies did many years ago when they had the authority they made all farms test for TB.* TB was the disease they used many years ago against the industry.* It will be the same for CWD but our problem will come when the agencies make*it a test every year because of the long time before the prions become a full blown disease.* We will have to test our herds every year for CWD and even though we will do this they will only call us monitored herds and never will they call us a certified herd free of CWD.* Again this will cost producers more money but over time as people get used to CWD and the fact it can't be controlled in the wild and like TB, CWD will fade away and the agencies will not be able to hold this over our heads as they are doing now.


The answer to Wayne's question is yes to both of them.* But if you could test yourself out of CWD in less than five years and at least be able to sell to the harvest markets you might be better off than just killing them without any payment for their distruction.* A live test does increase the ability of finding a CWD animal as all animals in your herd*will be tested not just ones that die or are harvested.
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 07:10 AM   #40
 
  Apr 2009
  TN


Mike Kerry,


Your post from 9:04am yesterday sounds good but it would mean starting with a new team, inexperienced, unproven and no track record, but I do like the concept. If we're going to start with an unproved team, we might consider ACA. While they have not yet improved the industry, I think they may in a year or two if they continue to press forward.*
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 10:13 AM   #41
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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Mike Kerry,


Your post from 9:04am yesterday sounds good but it would mean starting with a new team, inexperienced, unproven and no track record, but I do like the concept. If we're going to start with an unproved team, we might consider ACA. While they have not yet improved the industry, I think they may in a year or two if they continue to press forward.*




I believe after further review that Scott's idea would be better. *Its a fact that many think NADEFA screwed this all up to begin with and its a fact that many think some involved in the ACA have an agenda of sorts so it would be hard to get any farmer to have FULL 100% trust in either or parts of either of these groups.


*Sad but true! * *With Scott's idea if one or a few covered the cost to come up with this test and then set the price for this test then maybe we could keep the price reasonable so we all could afford it and then the states or whomever could not rake us over the coals and set a price so high that it would choke more farmers out of the business! *Thoughts?
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 10:38 AM   #42
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa


With an approved live test, there would be no need for the current CWD program or Standards. *A complete new Program and Standards would be necessary for WHAT STEPS are required IF you find a positive. *As the Program stands today, industrys' producers are only making themselves vulnerable to a 5 year quarantine for their animals and land without compensation. *
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 12:48 PM   #43
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  upstate ny

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With an approved live test, there would be no need for the current CWD program or Standards. *A complete new Program and Standards would be necessary for WHAT STEPS are required IF you find a positive. *As the Program stands today, industrys' producers are only making themselves vulnerable to a 5 year quarantine for their animals and land without compensation. *




I think the programs should be thrown out and left to the states but even then the state can still shut you down 5 years. *I think with a live test and a positive is found most people would just put it down one way or the other. Like Scott did. Break the chain right there at your farm!
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Old Jan 15th 2014, 09:14 AM   #44
 
  Aug 2009
  Wisconsin


We have to very thankful the Flees herd was a closed herd. *If they had also been purchasing animals from others, then all of the herds they purchased from would have been caught up in the trace outs also, because at this point there is no way to determine where the disease came from....and those herds would have no way to test out because it is impossible to kill your whole herd unlike the herds that have purchased a few animals from the Flees'....at least they can opt to kill the individual animals if they need to get off of quarantine. *The industry got off as well as can be expected this time, but the next time might not be so good because there are very few "closed" herds out there....and there will be a next time especially with states like Missouri and Pennsylvania being forced to test 100% in their hunting ranches. *Look at Wisconsin and Iowa as an example of 100% testing at the hunting ranches....it got the Flees' and the Brakke's a positive CWD....when you keep looking for that needle in the haystack you will find that needle eventually. *That is the only place Wisconsin has been able to find CWD in the last 7 years is in the hunting ranches.


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All the testing that has been done in the wild and in our pens has shown that the older mature bucks are more likely to contract CWD....could it be that the head trauma from all the fighting they do has something to do with the disease????
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