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Old Jun 19th 2013, 10:19 AM   #1
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
Go to full article printed Winter 2001 and Spring 2002 AWIC Buletin: Emergency Animal Incidents-Guidelines for Police Officer



http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newslet...3/11n3hany.htm



It is with great pleasure that I acknowledge the help given to me by a number of experts in the animal science and wildlife field who volunteered to be a part of an advisory committee for this study. Their sincere concern for animal welfare and realistic views regarding animal death were the enabling factors in the creation of this work. Many thanks are due to the following individuals and the organizations they represent for their review and helpful suggestions: Dr. Taylor Bennett, Director of Biological Resources Lab, University of Illinois; Stephanie Boyles, Wildlife Biologist, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals; Bob Davis, Manager of Hunter Services, National Rifle Association; Tom Decker, Wildlife Technician, Wildlife Division, Maryland DNR; Ken D'Loughy, Central Region Manager, Wildlife Division, Maryland DNR; Dr. Cindy Driscoll, Veterinarian, Maryland DNR, Dr. Patrice N. Klein, HSUS Wildlife Veterinarian and Director, HSUS-WRTC;
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Old Jun 19th 2013, 11:12 AM   #2
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota
Patty Klein worked for HSUS as a Wildlife Veterinarian, then worked for fish and game for 6 years, then APHIS/USDA put her in charge of writing a deer program that would control a "political" disease, CWD. And we wonder why we have a CWD program that is designed to put us out of business!!!!

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Old Jun 19th 2013, 09:00 PM   #3
 
  Aug 2009
  Wisconsin
Let's not forget how the CWD rule was changed after the former employee of HSUS and Fish & Wildlife was appointed as the CWD administrator for USDA. The wildlife agencies received a free pass to move wild animals interstate without little to no protocol and the cervid industry lost reduced CWD testing after 5 years of monitoring....and we wonder why the federal CWD rule and standards are designed to put us out of business???



Ever since the Obama administration took over, USDA has been infiltrated with HSUS folks who are not the friends of Ag and they are especially not the friends of our industry because of the hunting of our animals.



I am so tired of hearing that these standards are not that bad....just wait until there is a CWD traceback to a farm that exports a lot of animals....all of us are going to see how bad the rule and the standards really are.



Almost everything that we tried to fix in the standards got added back in by the former HSUS and Fish and Wildlife employee. So for all you folks who wanted to play the process out rather than ditch the entire document and start over, can you finally see the writing on the wall?
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Old Jun 19th 2013, 09:14 PM   #4
 
  Nov 2012
  Medina Texas
I would suggest when the program standards go to public comment that we all weigh in and take advantage of this time to comment on the key issues and points that are designed to put is out of business. We worked for several months trying to make drastic changes to a flawed document that should have been scrapped and totally reworked by industry and the state health officials. But instead we let the whole process get hijacked by wildlife agencies hand picked by someone who worked for the HSUS and the USFWS. Talk about the proverbial fox guarding the hen house; we now know why we hit a rock wall with our negotiations. The industry is at a crossroad, we have played the process out, and regardless of what you have been told this is still a flawed document that should have never seen the light of day. How much more do the players in this industry want to take. I, for one, did not make the investments in the industry that I did to see them taken away by liberal agendas and ideology. Believe or not there is a plan to put this industry out of business. If they can't be legislate you out of business you will be regulated out of business. The choice is yours.
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Old Jun 19th 2013, 11:29 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
LITIGATION ....LITIGATION....and LITIGATION....OTHERWISE......CLOSE UP SHOP! and it's going to take some money on everyone's part! Nothing else will work at this point!
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 07:06 AM   #6
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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This does not sound like anyone is trying to put us out of business!





NADeFA Wins On Capitol Hill!



NADeFA enjoyed a major legislative victory on Capitol Hill this week. Due to the work of NADeFA leadership, our lobbyists, and the many NADeFA members who contacted their Members of Congress, the USDA's budget proposal to eliminate federal funds for the national CWD program was reversed in the House Agricultural Appropriations Subcommittee, and $3 Million was included for cervid health activities, including indemnity payments.



Shawn Schafer



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Ag Bill Includes $3 Million for CWD Program

By Amanda Hill, Capitol Hill Consulting



On Thursday, June 6th, the House Appropriations Subcommittee on Agriculture marked up its Fiscal Year 2014 spending bill, the legislation which funds all major agricultural services and food programs provided by the US Department of Agriculture (USDA) and its related agencies. The bill included $3 million to support cervid health activities, namely the national CWD program. It also included $2.5 billion for agriculture research. The bill passed the full House Committee on Appropriations this morning (Thursday, June 13th.)



The Ag Appropriations bill is significant to NADeFA's policy priorities on two fronts:



1) adequate funding of the national CWD program and its corresponding indemnity monies and 2) funding for agriculture research, including funding to support cervid-specific research to combat disease, pests and map the deer genome.



In recent years, the funding for the national CWD program has been drastically reduced from almost $20 million to about $1.5 million, just enough to carry out the administration of the rule, but not enough to fund CWD surveillance, testing or indemnity activities. When the President's budget proposal was sent the Congress earlier this year, the portion prepared by USDA Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) recommended even further cuts and to eliminate federal contributions combating chronic wasting disease. It has been a top priority of NADeFA and Capitol Hill Consulting to reverse the USDA's decision to defund the national CWD program through congressional intervention.



At the beginning of the FY2014 budget cycle, NADeFA Executive Director Shawn Schafer submitted congressional testimony on behalf of NADeFA to the House Agriculture Appropriations Subcommittee, urging them to preserve CWD funding in their budget. This was in conjunction with a round of meetings in February with the majority and minority committee staffs of both the House and Senate Ag Appropriations Subcommittees. This laid the foundation for the larger NADeFA fly-in, which occurred in early April.



During the April fly-in, NADeFA members met with more than 70 congressional offices, and a top request of them was to support CWD funding. The Chairman of the House Agriculture Appropriations Subcommittee is Congressman Robert Aderholt of Alabama, making him the ultimate decision maker on this issue in the House. Fortunately, the Alabama Deer Association was able to join the fly-in and share their perspective on this issue. Will Ainsworth made a point of traveling to DC to participate in a meeting with Chairman Aderholt, where Will had the opportunity to share with him how a loss of funding would adversely affect his farm and the dozens of other deer farms in the Congressman's district. Along with requests for funding from Members of Congress from several other deer farming states (PA, TX, OK, NY....), Chairman Aderholt was supportive of NADeFA's request and included $3 Million in funding and the following report language in his bill:



Cervid Health - The latest data from 2007 indicate that the cervid industry in the U.S. accounts for 5,600 deer farms and 1,900 elk farms, has an economic value of $894 million, and supports nearly 30,000 jobs. This industry is currently adapting to a 2012interim final rule that established a national, voluntary herd certification program (HCP) that provides uniform herd certification standards and will support the domestic and international marketability of U.S. cervid herds. The Committee believes that the industry requires additional support to ensure that the newly implemented chronic wasting disease HCP is successful. Therefore, APHIS should spend no less than $3,000,000 for cervid health activities. Within the funds provided, APHIS should give consideration to indemnity payments if warranted.



This is a tremendous success for the North American Deer Farmers Association and its members! Everyone who attended the Washington, DC fly-in and/or otherwise communicated with their representatives in Congress the needs of this industry are to be thanked and congratulated. The legislation also included $290 Million to fund the Agriculture and Food Research Initiative, the program under which NADeFA is seeking research authority in the current Farm Bill.



The corresponding Senate Ag Appropriations bill is expected to be marked up at the subcommittee level next Tuesday, June 18, 2013, with full committee consideration to occur shortly after. The content of the Senate bill is not publicly available yet; however, based on conversations with Members of Congress and their staff, Capitol Hill Consulting is hopeful of a similar positive outcome in the Senate.



We will continue to work with NADeFA and their Members of Congress to ensure this funding is retained in the final version of the legislation, hopefully to be signed into law by the President later this summer or fall.



Some good news anyways?
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 08:22 AM   #7
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  Aug 2009
  Winnsboro, LA
I might be missing the boat on this one but wouldn't we want the federal government to stop funding this CWD program all together. This in turn would rest on the states to budget for this mythological end of world disease!!! lol And since the states are broke wouldn't they stop testing for it and wouldn't it die on its own? Farmers here in our state of Louisiana have just had our borders close for us back in late October 2012. This was in retrospect to the CWD positive in Pa. The alleged transportation of contaminated animals from that farm to a farm here in our state coupled with illegal activity of cervids taken into Mississippi has kept our borders closed. The Federal government stepped in and supposedly took over investigations thus not lifting the current importation ban. To add insult to injury our licenses have jumped from $50 per year to $250 per year! The heads we test to comply with said CWD requirements are now at a cost of $40 per head and could incur even further charges. So if our state does not open it's borders ever again , who cares about this CWD monitoring then? If one thinks about it There are currently very few states open for intrastate movement. That list is growing RAPIDLY. If you meet the health requirements now what's to say that all states in the near future won't be closed? No more auctions! Each state would then be monopolizing on its own assets! Just the way I see it, don't get me wrong I've followed the rules to a T. Planned on competing in the big market so to speak but now just on hold to see what my state is going to do. Jason
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 08:59 AM   #8
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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Originally Posted by La. Bone Collector
I might be missing the boat on this one but wouldn't we want the federal government to stop funding this CWD program all together. This in turn would rest on the states to budget for this mythological end of world disease!!! lol And since the states are broke wouldn't they stop testing for it and wouldn't it die on its own? Farmers here in our state of Louisiana have just had our borders close for us back in late October 2012. This was in retrospect to the CWD positive in Pa. The alleged transportation of contaminated animals from that farm to a farm here in our state coupled with illegal activity of cervids taken into Mississippi has kept our borders closed. The Federal government stepped in and supposedly took over investigations thus not lifting the current importation ban. To add insult to injury our licenses have jumped from $50 per year to $250 per year! The heads we test to comply with said CWD requirements are now at a cost of $40 per head and could incur even further charges. So if our state does not open it's borders ever again , who cares about this CWD monitoring then? If one thinks about it There are currently very few states open for intrastate movement. That list is growing RAPIDLY. If you meet the health requirements now what's to say that all states in the near future won't be closed? No more auctions! Each state would then be monopolizing on its own assets! Just the way I see it, don't get me wrong I've followed the rules to a T. Planned on competing in the big market so to speak but now just on hold to see what my state is going to do. Jason


Yup and with Ny and Florida in the mix to be added to the closed list!
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 12:15 PM   #9
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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If your state doesn't pay for testing then you will. If you want to move deer between farms you have to be CWD monitored, at least in Wi. The CWD rules allow movement, even though some states choose to ignore the fact that is why the rules exist. Closing state borders after CWD has been around for over 10 years makes no sense. But then no one ever said government made sense. Once they have found it in every state there will be no reason to have borders closed. I believe it is in every state, just may not have stumbled across the positives yet. Closed borders have nothing to do with disease although that is the excuse. Texas has had some CWD positives in west Texas but they are still pushing the illusion that keeping the borders closed will prevent it in the rest of the state. This in a state that has anthrax outbreaks pretty regularly and EHd losses. Again, closed state borders have nothing to do with disease.



Personally, if the federal government doesn't think CWD is important enough to spend any money on, I don't understand why anyone has to.
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 12:26 PM   #10
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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If your state doesn't pay for testing then you will. If you want to move deer between farms you have to be CWD monitored, at least in Wi. The CWD rules allow movement, even though some states choose to ignore the fact that is why the rules exist. Closing state borders after CWD has been around for over 10 years makes no sense. But then no one ever said government made sense. Once they have found it in every state there will be no reason to have borders closed. I believe it is in every state, just may not have stumbled across the positives yet. Closed borders have nothing to do with disease although that is the excuse. Texas has had some CWD positives in west Texas but they are still pushing the illusion that keeping the borders closed will prevent it in the rest of the state. This in a state that has anthrax outbreaks pretty regularly and EHd losses. Again, closed state borders have nothing to do with disease.



Personally, if the federal government doesn't think CWD is important enough to spend any money on, I don't understand why anyone has to.


100% Agree. Ny pays for our testing at the present time. I believe those in offices that have power are brainwashed and need to be removed. In due time cwd will be a thing of the past!
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 01:52 PM   #11
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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I found this to be interesting. This does not sound like shut down the deer business talk! Not sure how to take this one!



THURSDAY, JUNE 20, 2013

atypical, BSE, CWD, Scrapie, Captive Farmed shooting pens (livestock), Wild Cervids, Rectal Mucosa Biopsy 2012 USAHA Proceedings, and CJD TSE prion Update

atypical, BSE, CWD, Scrapie, Captive Farmed shooting pens (livestock), Wild Cervids, Rectal Mucosa Biopsy 2012 USAHA Proceedings, and CJD TSE prion Update















PROCEEDINGS ONE HUNDRED AND SIXTEENTH ANNUAL MEETING of the UNITED STATES ANIMAL HEALTH ASSOCIATION Sheraton Greensboro Hotel Greensboro, North Carolina October 18 – 24, 2012



















Evaluation and Interpretation of Rectal Mucosa Biopsy Testing for Chronic Wasting Disease within Four White-Tailed Deer Herds in North America











Bruce V. Thomsen











USDA-APHIS-VS, National Veterinary Services Laboratories (NVSL)











An effective live animal test is needed to assist in the control of chronic wasting disease (CWD), which has spread through captive and wild herds of white-tailed deer in both Canada and the United States. Rectal biopsy sample testing for CWD has shown promising results in previous studies and rectal biopsy sample testing has also been utilized successfully as a live animal test to diagnose the closely related disease, scrapie in sheep. This study compared the test results of postmortem rectal mucosa biopsy samples to those from conventional postmortem samples of the brainstem at the obex; the medial retropharyngeal lymph node; and the palatine tonsil in four CWD-infected, captive white-tailed deer herds. Three of the herds were located in Canada and one of the herds was from the United States. The effects of age, sex, genotype at prion protein (PRNP) codon 96, and stage of disease progression were evaluated as possible factors that might influence test performance. Test sensitivity for CWD on rectal biopsy samples in whitetailed deer ranged from 63% to 100% in the four herds within this study. Test performance was influenced by genotype at PRNP codon 96 and by stage of disease progression. Test sensitivity was the highest for 96GG deer and lower for 96GS deer. Rectal biopsy test sensitivity was 100% for deer in the later stages of disease progression, as evidenced by abundant immunohistochemical staining for PrPCWD in sections of brainstem. Rectal biopsy test sensitivity was reduced for deer in the earlier stages of disease. Selective use of this test, in conjunction with conventional testing postmortem testing, could provide valuable information during disease investigations of CWD suspect deer herds.



















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Review and Updates of the USDA-APHIS Veterinary Services (VS)











National Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) Program











Patrice Klein











USDA-APHIS-VS











CWD Rule Update















CWD Interim Final Rule was published on June 8, 2012, establishing a national voluntary CWD herd certification program (HCP) and consistent minimum interstate movement requirements. The rule became effective on August 13, 2012. Enforcement of the interstate movement regulations is delayed until December 10, 2012 to give States time to apply to APHIS to become an Approved State CWD HCP.







After reviewing the public comments, the APHIS will issue a final rule, and if needed, incorporate any changes made in response to comments on preemption. Comments received on other topics will be held for future rulemaking.







The goal of the CWD Program is to assist States, Tribes, and the cervid industry to prevent and control spread of CWD in farmed and wild cervid populations through establishment of a national CWD HCP and interstate movement requirements.







APHIS provides federal oversight of the voluntary national CWD HCP with program activities conducted by the Approved State CWD HCPs. APHIS will serve in an advisory capacity to Approved States for epidemiological investigations on CWD positive findings, development of herd plans, and assist (where possible) with herd inspections and inventories.







APHIS will continue to fund confirmatory testing on any presumptive CWD-positive samples from farmed and wild cervids, conducted by the National Veterinary Services Laboratories (NVSL).















Farmed/captive cervid surveillance testing















Through FY2012, CWD surveillance testing was conducted on approximately 22,585 farmed /captive cervids by the immunohistochemistry (IHC) standard protocol. This reflects testing that was funded by APHIS through December 2011 and the transition to these laboratory costs paid directly by the cervid owner beginning in January 2012 as a result of CWD program budget reductions in FY2012.















Farmed/captive cervid CWD status















To date, 60 farmed/captive cervid herds have been identified in 13 states: Colorado, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New York, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, South Dakota and Wisconsin. Forty were elk herds, 19 were whitetail deer (WTD) herds, and one was the red deer herd. At this time, 15 CWD positive herds remain – seven elk herds in Colorado, three elk herds in Nebraska, three WTD herds in Iowa, one WTD herd in Pennsylvania, and one red deer herd in Minnesota.















On October 11, 2012, Pennsylvania reported a CWD positive three and one-half year old female white-tailed deer (WTD) in a farmed cervid herd in Adams County, Pennsylvania. NVSL conducted the confirmatory CWD testing and this represents the first report of CWD in PA. The index herd is















REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE















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under state quarantine, and an epidemiological investigation and trace outs are in progress to identify epidemiologically-linked premises in Pennsylvania and other states.















In July, 2012, Iowa reported a CWD positive six year old male WTD in a hunt facility in Davis County, Iowa that was sourced from a deer breeding farm under the same ownership in Cerro Gordo County, Iowa. Trace outs identified several other premises that purchased deer from the index herd. CWD testing of the traced out animals has begun. To date, one CWD positive doe was identified in the source herd that had direct contact with the index animal, and four additional CWD positive deer (including two purchased deer) have been identified on separately owned premises.















In May 2012, Minnesota reported CWD in a two and one-half year old male red deer from a breeding farm in Ramsey County, Minnesota. This represents the first report of CWD in red deer (Cervus elaphus) in the United States. During the epidemiological investigation, 56 pen mates (cohorts) were tested and CWD was not detected in any of those animals. No point source of introduction yet has been determined. The herd remains under state imposed quarantine which is allowing for some animals to be transported directly to a slaughter facility. All slaughtered animals have been CWD tested and reported as ‘not detected’.















Wild Cervid surveillance















In FY2011, cooperative agreements were awarded to 46 State wildlife agencies (approximately $4.2 M) and 34 Native American Tribes (approximately $340,000). The Native American Fish and Wildlife Society received approximately $175,000 to support CWD outreach and education activities Cooperative agreement funds were eliminated in FY2012 due to federal budget reductions.















FY2010 funding supported surveillance in approximately 74,900 wild cervids in 46 cooperating States. Wild cervid CWD surveillance totals are pending for FY2011 due to seasonal surveillance activities and completion of final cooperative agreement reporting to APHIS. To date, approximately 60,890 wild cervids have been tested in fiscal year 2011.















Budget: Commodity Health Line Structure















In FY2011, APHIS received approximately $15.8 million in appropriated funding for the CWD Program. In the FY2012 budget, livestock commodities regulated by USDA were organized into ‘Commodity Health Line’ structures or groupings. APHIS’ Equine, Cervid and Small Ruminant (ECSR) Health line supports efforts to protect the health and thereby improve the quality and productivity of the equine, cervid and small ruminant industries. In FY2012 approximately $1.925 million of ECSR funding was allocated for CWD program activities to provide Federal oversight of the national CWD herd certification program (HCP). The President’s FY2013 budget proposes further funding reductions.























Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) rule: Clifford reported the Office of Management and Budget (OM wants an update and the rule will not preempt states.















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RESOLUTION NUMBER: 13 and 23 Combined – APPROVED















SOURCE: Committee on Wildlife Diseases Committee on Captive Wildlife and Alternative Livestock











SUBJECT MATTER: Funding for Indemnity of Chronic Wasting Disease- Positive or Exposed Animals BACKGROUND INFORMATION:











The Administrator is authorized to pay for the purchase and destruction of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) positive animals, CWD exposed animals, and CWD suspect animals (9 CFR 55.2). Subject to available funding, the amount of the Federal payment for any such animals will be 95 percent of the appraised value established in accordance with 55.3 of this part, but the Federal payment shall not exceed $3,000.00 per animal. In the past, the United States Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, Veterinary Services has provided funding to pay for the purchase of farmed cervids that tested positive for CWD, were exposed to CWD positive animals, or were suspect animals, in order to mitigate the risk of the spread of CWD to other captive and wild cervids. Federal funding for this purpose is no longer available and farmed cervidae producers are no longer indemnified for the destruction of their animals. Without federal funding for the purchase of destroyed animals, producers will suffer considerable financial damages.











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RESOLUTION:















The United States Animal Health Association urges the United States Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, Veterinary Services to provide funding for a federal program to pay indemnity for animals euthanized because of infection or exposure to Chronic Wasting Disease.















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RESOLUTION NUMBER: 20– APPROVED















SOURCE: Committee on Captive Wildlife and Alternative Livestock











SUBJECT MATTER: Chronic Wasting Disease Control











BACKGROUND INFORMATION:











It has been stated by the United States Department of Agriculture, Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, Veterinary Services that











(1) the goal of the Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD) program in the United States has now changed from eradication to controlling its spread,











(2) there is no longer federal funding available to pay for CWD testing or to pay indemnity for CWD infected or exposed animals, and











(3) depopulation of infected herds will no longer be required or expected.











With this major change in objectives, it is critical that we change the way we implement the CWD program in the United States. We now need a program that minimizes the risk of spreading CWD in farmed and wild cervidae without putting farmed cervidae producers out of business!
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 06:16 PM   #12
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota
NADEFA Wins On Capital Hill??????



Someone must be delusional. This press release was nothing but a "feel good" statement. A smoke screen for a standards program that's going to get pushed on us.



I was also at Capital hill for the meetings. I didn't come home with a good and fuzzy feeling of what when on. We may get $3 million, but it hasn't passed the Senate yet, and remember we were at $20 million. Half of the $3 million will just go to the staff. The reason we were cut in the first place was a decision Dr. Clifford made. He said he had to make hard economic choices. "He said he had to put his budget in programs that he thought were going to be successful". Dr. Clifford apparently doesn't even have any faith in the new CWD program!



What I saw with our meeting with Dr. Clifford, was that Patty Klein got her way on the whole program. Very little of input from us was excepted. The only positive thing I came out of the meeting with Dr. Clifford was that he stated the standards program was voluntary and were suggested guidelines only. The trouble I see now is Patty won't allow that wording in the whole document. Under Part A it states "are optional guidelines". Part B states "minimum requirements". We asked her to put optional in both and she removed it!



We were told by our leadership, that we needed to let "the process" run its course, and if we didn't like the product we would not support it and we could throw it out. In Washington we found that this was not an option. So we saw a "no win" there. What concerns me now is NADEFA's position on the standard program. Is the membership going to have a say if NADEFA is going to support the "standards program"? Or is the leadership going to make the decision for us, and shove this down our throats and tell us what we need to think? As a member of NADEFA I would like to see the membership polled on how to proceed in the support, or lack there of, of this program. This is too important a matter not to be presented to the membership.



I had a long talk this morning with our State Vet., Dr. Bill Hartmann. He also served on the working group trying to fix the standards program. He told me that this was "designed to put us out of business". He also said "these guidelines are impossible". He said " We don't need the program standards, we as a state can operate under the rules just fine. Dr. Hartmann also said that Dr. Clifford told him "if the industry asked, he would throw it out". We heard this statement a while back from Charly Seale, and he was called a liar. People, I heard this same statement from Dr. Hartmann. Are you also going to call him a liar also? If NADEFA would have supported throwing out this program , Dr. Clifford would have done it. But instead we showed him a divided industry, not our best hour. Now I am afraid we are stuck with it. I think NADEFA screwed up on this one. I agree with Dr. Hartmann, that this whole process has been flawed. If my state vet thinks this is a bad product, how can I not listen to him? How can we as an industry allow Patty Klein, who worked for HSUS and Wildlife, put these kind of rules on us? And then exempt wildlife from following them. Looking at her background, can we trust any regulations that she would come up with for us? Are we stupid??? We as an industry have been subject to double-standards too long. Its time to say no more!



I have a document from USDA, that Patty Klein authored on CWD, that states: "Goals for CWD HCP Program, Establish a voluntary national CWD herd certification program", [yet if you don't participate, you can't sell animals anywhere]. Part A, "Provide guidance" on procedures to certify herds.... Part B, "Provides suggested best management practices that may be used........[how did that turn into "minimum requirements" in response.........] She also states on page 25, "Prion Persistence in Soils"; CWD reported at 2.2 years, Scrapie reported 16 years. [ yet we have a 5 year quarantine on our land before we can occupy it, and sheep with scrapie infection can reoccupy 30 days after clean-up, how is that fair?]. She also states on Page 34; Research needs: Diagnostics ---live animal CWD test, Vaccination/other preventative medicine [ yet they don't provide funding for it, in fact they cut funding for us]



Deer Farmers, it's time you all wake up before the train hits you. I realize we are all busy with fieldwork and fawning, but this program will effect the industry for years to come. If we don't speak up now, don't complain when the hammer drops on you. Look how many states are closing or want to close their borders. Pretty soon we won't be able to move or sell deer to anyone. All we will have in our pens is a bunch of pets, and the feed bills won't go away. We used to be just one test away from being out of business, now with the traces, we are one test away from being out of business from someone you bought or sold deer to in the last 5 years. Call your directors and let your feelings be known. They are supposed to be there to listen to the membership. They represent YOU. If you haven't read the standards, read them, they WILL effect YOU! They are available online. When the comment period starts on the standards, we NEED you to comment. The time for sugar coating this is over.



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Old Jun 20th 2013, 06:45 PM   #13
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Great post Gary.....I hope we deer farmers realize just how bad things are right now.....we can't just look the other way folks.......we just can't anymore!
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 07:09 PM   #14
 
  Nov 2012
  Garnett, Kansas
The latest version of the standards (version 21) is better than original from July 2012 but we have to assess to what degree. Our businesses and family’s income are at stake with our decisions.



I still see several lingering aspects that are very troubling... One being the optional language from Part A and Part B that Gary spoke about. The intros were supposed to be identical stating optional and part B is not. Part B is the more contentious part of the document so this needs to be fixed. I have several other items that need to be addressed too and plan to share them early next week as I compile my list.



We must mobilize as an industry to voice our comments during the 30 day period. I hope it will help but this working group has meet for hours every week for over 5 months. I wonder what we will fix during the comment period that wasn’t willing to be changed during the entire negotiating committee that was charged with finding common ground.



We all need to make our list of these red flags from Version 21 to determine if we can live with them and ask ourselves if they pass the smell test.



Respectfully,

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Old Jun 20th 2013, 07:52 PM   #15
 
  Sep 2010
  Wykoff, MN
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NADEFA Wins On Capital Hill??????



Someone must be delusional. This press release was nothing but a "feel good" statement. A smoke screen for a standards program that's going to get pushed on us.



I was also at Capital hill for the meetings. I didn't come home with a good and fuzzy feeling of what when on. We may get $3 million, but it hasn't passed the Senate yet, and remember we were at $20 million. Half of the $3 million will just go to the staff. The reason we were cut in the first place was a decision Dr. Clifford made. He said he had to make hard economic choices. "He said he had to put his budget in programs that he thought were going to be successful". Dr. Clifford apparently doesn't even have any faith in the new CWD program!



What I saw with our meeting with Dr. Clifford, was that Patty Klein got her way on the whole program. Very little of input from us was excepted. The only positive thing I came out of the meeting with Dr. Clifford was that he stated the standards program was voluntary and were suggested guidelines only. The trouble I see now is Patty won't allow that wording in the whole document. Under Part A it states "are optional guidelines". Part B states "minimum requirements". We asked her to put optional in both and she removed it!



We were told by our leadership, that we needed to let "the process" run its course, and if we didn't like the product we would not support it and we could throw it out. In Washington we found that this was not an option. So we saw a "no win" there. What concerns me now is NADEFA's position on the standard program. Is the membership going to have a say if NADEFA is going to support the "standards program"? Or is the leadership going to make the decision for us, and shove this down our throats and tell us what we need to think? As a member of NADEFA I would like to see the membership polled on how to proceed in the support, or lack there of, of this program. This is too important a matter not to be presented to the membership.



I had a long talk this morning with our State Vet., Dr. Bill Hartmann. He also served on the working group trying to fix the standards program. He told me that this was "designed to put us out of business". He also said "these guidelines are impossible". He said " We don't need the program standards, we as a state can operate under the rules just fine. Dr. Hartmann also said that Dr. Clifford told him "if the industry asked, he would throw it out". We heard this statement a while back from Charly Seale, and he was called a liar. People, I heard this same statement from Dr. Hartmann. Are you also going to call him a liar also? If NADEFA would have supported throwing out this program , Dr. Clifford would have done it. But instead we showed him a divided industry, not our best hour. Now I am afraid we are stuck with it. I think NADEFA screwed up on this one. I agree with Dr. Hartmann, that this whole process has been flawed. If my state vet thinks this is a bad product, how can I not listen to him? How can we as an industry allow Patty Klein, who worked for HSUS and Wildlife, put these kind of rules on us? And then exempt wildlife from following them. Looking at her background, can we trust any regulations that she would come up with for us? Are we stupid??? We as an industry have been subject to double-standards too long. Its time to say no more!



I have a document from USDA, that Patty Klein authored on CWD, that states: "Goals for CWD HCP Program, Establish a voluntary national CWD herd certification program", [yet if you don't participate, you can't sell animals anywhere]. Part A, "Provide guidance" on procedures to certify herds.... Part B, "Provides suggested best management practices that may be used........[how did that turn into "minimum requirements" in response.........] She also states on page 25, "Prion Persistence in Soils"; CWD reported at 2.2 years, Scrapie reported 16 years. [ yet we have a 5 year quarantine on our land before we can occupy it, and sheep with scrapie infection can reoccupy 30 days after clean-up, how is that fair?]. She also states on Page 34; Research needs: Diagnostics ---live animal CWD test, Vaccination/other preventative medicine [ yet they don't provide funding for it, in fact they cut funding for us]



Deer Farmers, it's time you all wake up before the train hits you. I realize we are all busy with fieldwork and fawning, but this program will effect the industry for years to come. If we don't speak up now, don't complain when the hammer drops on you. Look how many states are closing or want to close their borders. Pretty soon we won't be able to move or sell deer to anyone. All we will have in our pens is a bunch of pets, and the feed bills won't go away. We used to be just one test away from being out of business, now with the traces, we are one test away from being out of business from someone you bought or sold deer to in the last 5 years. Call your directors and let your feelings be known. They are supposed to be there to listen to the membership. They represent YOU. If you haven't read the standards, read them, they WILL effect YOU! They are available online. When the comment period starts on the standards, we NEED you to comment. The time for sugar coating this is over.



Gary


Great Post Gary!! Sooooooooooooooooo TRUE!!!!! We did have the chance to throw the standards out!!
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