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Old May 17th 2015, 02:12 PM   #1
 Bell's Avatar
  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN

Anti-hunters infiltrate sportsmen groups then set the narrative to manage public perception. As Boone & Crockett has clearly demonstrated this organization is no longer representing hunters, but managing perceptions dividing hunters.

Duane Fronek wrote an article addressing Fair Chase for ALL sportsmen that unites hunters instead of divides them. Please read and share!

Fair Chase

By Duane Fronek

I see this little phrase come up from time to time. What I’m about to write might infuriate some and please others and leave others thinking about where they stand on this little phrase. My thoughts on the phrase “Fair Chase” in a nutshell is basically, has got to be the most dangerous word to outdoor men and women and our pursuits in the wild when it comes to hunting, trapping and fishing. The phrase in my opinion is probably the most responsible for hunting, trapping and fishing rights lost over the years, pitting one outdoorsmen and women against another. Simply put fair chase is basically not just a phrase but an attitude and a tool to justify ones way of doing things, while sacrificing those of another. We see it all the time when issues come up such as the use of cross bows, high fence, hunting with hounds, trapping and the list goes on. The animal rights groups love that little phrase, because they have it figured out, and know those two words are their meal ticket for pushing their agenda. Their agenda, banning all forms of hunting, trapping and fishing, period.

I’ve heard it said many times before, don’t know who the originator of it is but it goes something like this; “in order for a hunt to be fair chase, we would have to hunt with what we came into this world with, naked and our two bare hands.” And that would be true in my opinion. Animals survive with what they were born with, necessary to survive. Man on the other hand were born with a thinking brain, to solve problems to give us an edge. When it comes to hunting, we surely can’t run as fast as most animals, so man thought of ways to do the running for him, spears, bows, traps, guns etc. If we were to take a step back in time with our modern hunting equipment, we most likely would be worshipped on what we had to make our hunting more successful, that edge so to speak. Man has always used his most important weapon, his brain, when it comes to hunting, trapping and fishing. Because that’s our biggest weapon in order to survive and to equal out our physical short comings to the game we pursue.

I’ve heard so many arguments over the years on what was fair chase, things like running coons, cats or coyotes with hounds not being fair chase, or baiting is not a fair chase practice or high fence hunting isn’t real hunting, or trapping isn’t fair chase because the animal doesn’t have a running chance. To all that I say hogwash. Hunting with dogs is more than just turning dogs loose, there’s training, breeding and basically one’s way of life or way of doing things, they have a passion for it and they’ve figured a way to use man’s best friend to aid him in hunting, using the dogs as a tool. Baiting is just another form of hunting, no different in my opinion than placing out doe in heat or sitting on a corn field, your using the animals needs and instincts against them in order to gain an edge, same as just sitting on a ridge where you can see several yards and perched on the ridge with your trusty 300 mag. To reach out and touch one. It wouldn’t make much sense to sit there with a pistol or slug gun, no, we utilize the tools we have, to give us that edge. Now a deer walks up to within 40yds and you have the 300 mag in your lap are you gonna pass up the deer because he’s not 300 yds out, I don’t think so. Same with high fence, some say it’s not sporting or fair chase. Well think about this, a lot of high fence are 100’s and even 1000’s of acres, where the deer roam where ever they will in basically in the same settings as their wild counter parts, just better taken care of. there are quite a few hunters out there that don’t have the luxury of time on their side to enjoy the outdoors the way a lot of us do, their business men and women with busy schedules or locked in a city with no land they know of to hunt on or the time, but yet have a love and a passion to hunt just like the rest of us. I’ve heard it said trapping doesn’t give the animals a sporting chance, well most of that comes from those never doing it, just like I suspect with the other claims of why this or that isn’t fair chase. Trapping involves knowing your target well, well enough to put his foot on a pan or trigger no bigger than say 3”x 3” in order to get caught, you need to know their habits, what makes them tick just like pursuing any other thing like hunting or fishing.

So why condemn something or tactic another uses? Could be a number of reasons , jealousy, greed, or just plain stubbornness because that’s not how I do it. And each time we attack another’s legal way of doing things, we in essence are driving a nail in our own coffin for future use by the anti’s. Take for example your on the front lines in a war, and all the tall guys are getting killed. Everyone gets together and says, lets not use tall guys in this fight, it’ll eliminate anyone getting killed. So they do and go back into battle and now the medium height guys are getting waxed. So they have another meeting and decide, ok lets just use short guys, to prevent any further damage and fatalities. Now the enemy has the advantage of less troops in the ranks and basically over runs the troops and wins the battle. And in essence that’s what we are doing to ourselves when we start acting under the guise of fair chase. We essentially are sacrificing another’s way of doing things in order to preserve our own, but in reality we are destroying ourselves and our numbers in the ranks that allows us to be over run by the opposition..

We may not agree on everyone else’s way of hunting or pursuits, but know this, everyone of us that hunts, traps or fishes has a love and passion for what they do, just as much as the next guy or gal, even if his/her way is different than ours.. Ben Franklin once said; “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.” No truer words have been spoken when this country first began, and feel those words hold true for the outdoorsmen/women of today.
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Old May 18th 2015, 04:08 AM   #2
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota

Excellant. *B & C needs to heed this.
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Old May 18th 2015, 05:47 AM   #3
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep & Alaskan dahl sheep

That is a very well written article and very true.* I personally feel rifle long range hunting is not fair chase but I do respect the ability of the man shooting.* But there is no way shooting an animal at 1000 to 1500 yards is fair to the animal because you are out of the animals flight zone.* Would I go out of the way*and help*shut that method of hunting hell no.

Baiting animals is also not fair chase but is a good way of getting animals humanely*harvested.* Lets be honest we are harvesting animals for food and the only real question is did we do the harvesting in a humane way for the animal's death.

We should be honest on what we are doing on high fence hunting facilities.* We are using hunting for the humane harvesting of our private owned animals.* If using hunting methods on our facilities is not a humane and ethical death of our animals then it is not a humane and ethical death outside the fence.

I've always felt if this industry turned the fair chase question into humane and ethical*treatment*by harvest of our animals by the use of hunting methods it would be hard for hunter's to*find fault with our hunting these animal's*and how we harvest animals on our facilities.* Fair chase does not enter into harvesting of animals.* *It is a know fact on farm harvesting is more humane to the animal than taking it to a slaughter plant.* Fair chase is just a good buzz word for the critics of the industry to get public support when in fact hunting on high fence or in the wild is really*just a harvest of animals in a humane and ethical way.* Lets be honest about hunting in the wild it is nothing more than a harvest of wildlife for human food just like on high fence facilities.* Nothing is really fair chase with the weapons we have for hunting.
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Old May 18th 2015, 08:35 AM   #4
  Jan 2014
  Pipe Creek ,Texas

harder to hunt high fence than free range deer also T&S
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Old May 18th 2015, 01:58 PM   #5
  Jan 2013
  NJ, deer are kept in PA
Jack, your post is spot on. I agree 100% I use a computer bow and a slug gun during the proper season. I have buddy's that use high powered rifles up state here in pa. I don't cuss them or belittle them because that's their method of providing food for their families. I look at it like this. Hunting is hunting, no matter what method is used to harvest the animal, as long as it's done humane fashion.
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Old May 18th 2015, 01:58 PM   #6
  Jan 2013
  NJ, deer are kept in PA
Compound, not computer bow. Damn spell check
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Old May 18th 2015, 03:58 PM   #7
  Nov 2013
  Mission MN
You beat me to it. I was going to ask about the computer bow. Thought I missed out on another unfair advantage to be used in harvesting freezer meat. Just kidding of course. Jack , you are on the money.

We produced outdoor television for the major networks for a number of years. They were very strongly against high fence hunting in the beginning. Texas became so powerful with the MLD ranches and outdoor television that the networks changed their outlook to no tell no harm. In other words if you don't declare or document a high fence hunt that is your choice.

It is incredible how many are producing hunt TV behind a high fence. They don't tell you that they are hunting in a preserve but they don't have to tell you they are not. Fair Chase on hunting TV is fair chase as long as you don't see the fence.

We have to be careful here as we host a few shows at our facilities every year. The best was in jan of 2013. There were 3 good bucks harvested here in northern Minnesota by a popular producer that we later saw the show air as a Saskatchewan hunt. We got a good laugh out of it all.

most of our preserve hunters are hunters that hunt all over. In most cases we are the only high fence they do in a normal season. The balance of their hunt season is spent outside the fence , on some pretty adventurous hunts.

As a rule , our preserve hunters spend a lot more money on new boots , guns , bows , camo , etc than the hunters we deal with on outfitted hunts outside the fence. It is all hunting in my book.

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