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Old Apr 1st 2015, 10:26 AM   #16
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN
What I don't understand is if they take jurisdiction away from the DNR why does any money go to them???
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Old Apr 1st 2015, 01:30 PM   #17
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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Yes, why are they charging fees for your private land and your privately owned deer?* In order to have a preserve in WI you must first make sure any wild deer are out of the enclosure and a DNR person field checks it.* Then everything in there is yours, not theirs.* So why are they charging someone to shoot your deer?* What is the charge for transporting the carcass???* Why would you pay to do that??* If there is some nominal fee to get carcass tags - OK - we pay something like $1.50 for one here in WI to cover the cost of mailing and printing.* DNR shouldn't have anything to say about privately owned livestock!
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Old Apr 1st 2015, 02:48 PM   #18
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Yes, why are they charging fees for your private land and your privately owned deer?* In order to have a preserve in WI you must first make sure any wild deer are out of the enclosure and a DNR person field checks it.* Then everything in there is yours, not theirs.* So why are they charging someone to shoot your deer?* What is the charge for transporting the carcass???* Why would you pay to do that??* If there is some nominal fee to get carcass tags - OK - we pay something like $1.50 for one here in WI to cover the cost of mailing and printing.* DNR shouldn't have anything to say about privately owned livestock!

I agree 100%.
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Old Apr 1st 2015, 06:39 PM   #19
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Hb1453 will be debated again on the senate floor Thursday afternoon. We are working hard on the undecided.
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Old Apr 1st 2015, 07:19 PM   #20
 
  Jul 2009


We have agreed for our clients to buy a hunting license just like the quail preserves do, I think it is $17.* Then we will pay $75 for transportation tags for bucks.* The DNR will handle the hunting part of the preserves and BOAH will handle animal health issues.* These were issues that had to be addressed to move forward.* Its a good bill that boths sides have made concessions.* Look at 404 from last year and see some of the rediculous stuff in that, one of the morons proposed some of those things in the hearing monday.* They wanted 75 ft of tress cleared on both sides of fence, $10,000 fine for any escaped animal, on and on.* The opposition that matters in this issue that we* negotiated this with will never support us but they realize something needs to be done and this bill shows good faith on both sides.
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Old Apr 2nd 2015, 01:03 PM   #21
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  Apr 2009
  Columbia, MO

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I agree that it has come a long way. I think you can compromise here to get something done but then come right back the next session and try to get back the concessions. Its how they play!! We need to play the same way. Everyone should just get used to playing the political game every session cause if we ever quit playing we will find ourselves back to square one. Its how we got so far in the hole in the first place. I just want to say "Way to go" to all the people in Indiana who have worked their tails off getting this far. Keep up the fight. Act happy with what you get and then just turn around the next session and ask for more. Then you can ask for importation, No DNR money, etc. One step at a time...Good Luck!
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Old Apr 2nd 2015, 03:06 PM   #22
 
  Jul 2009


One of the key things we put in this piece of legislature is the the DNR "cannot" make any rule changes that affects our ability to operate.* Nobody want the fox watching the chicken house but we have went to great lenghts to assure they cant take advantage of us as they have in the past.* This weeks discussions and movement was put on hold so the legislators could try and get Indiana off the national news over the religous freedom act. lol
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Old Apr 3rd 2015, 11:16 AM   #23
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  May 2009
  Fulton, Michigan


Correct me if I’m wrong.* If HB1453 passes next week then any and all Indiana preserves that meet the criteria will be licensed and open for business this Fall.* They will be open with all of the rules and regulations that are proposed in the bill.* Rules and regulations that are agreed upon by the legislature, DNR BOAH and Indiana Deer Farmers.


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If the bill does not pass the senate then everyone with one acre can hunt deer this fall as long as they have a permit to raise deer.* No rules, no season, no fees to the state!* As it stands right now the DNR does not have the right to regulate the industry as the courts ruled. It will be the wild west of deer hunting.


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Why wouldn’t they pass it so they can regulate it and tack on fees.
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Old Apr 3rd 2015, 11:23 AM   #24
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN
The anti-preserve hunting community that has fought this for years ! There are several, the bow huntets and the other deer hunters groups.
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Old Apr 3rd 2015, 03:24 PM   #25
 
  Jul 2009


Todd, Your analogy is correct.* The opposition thinks they can have my court case overturned in the supreme court.* We won in circuit court and then in apellate court and now it is petitioned to the supreme court.* As you noted they should jump all over this bill.* The common sense opposition that we have been working with realize this, the radicals are another story.* If the bill is not passed and supreme court rules in our favor they are gonna have a tough time getting anything next session when they come begging for an agreement.
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Old Apr 4th 2015, 06:40 AM   #26
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


What you need to remember, in court, the state can not show "double-standards". * This is the main reason the state of Iowa lost it's appeal against Brakkes. *I think that much of what they are trying to restrict you from doing is unconstitutional and unenforceable. *
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Old Apr 4th 2015, 10:35 AM   #27
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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I tell you, it wears a person down after while! Here in Wisconsin the latest thing we have been fighting is sales tax. We have always charged it on the hunts. Now they are saying if a hunting preserve buys deer they should pay sales tax on the deer!! ReallY?? That is a double tax, paying tax when you buy it and then again when it is sold. I don't know another business that pays sales tax on the merchandise they are going to sell. They are spouting some baloney about hunters paying for the experience not the deer. We have told them over and over that is not the case. No one is going to pay thousands of dollars for an experience and no deer. Our pricing is all based on the deer they shoot, period. Just a lot of work to make common sense prevail!!
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Old Apr 4th 2015, 01:37 PM   #28
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


Your right, in construction, we used to pay sales tax on the materials we bought. * We did not have to pay sales tax on the end product. *Much of the end product is labor, and labor is not subject to sales tax. * You are right, it's a double tax.


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Much of the "hunting experience" is because of your labor, and labor is not subject to sales tax. *The stocker bucks you buy are classified as farm livestock in our state, and NOT subject to sales tax. *We never paid sales tax on cattle at the sales barn.


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You need to have a conference with Gov. Walker. *He would put this nonsense to rest.
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Old Apr 4th 2015, 03:05 PM   #29
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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Well for one thing, labor is taxable in Wis! If Home Depot buys a hammer, they don't pay sales tax on it, but the customer buying it does! We see this as just stocking our shelves so to speak. We have been working on this with our lobbyist and hope to have it resolved. Dept. of Revenue has just decided this is taxable, no change in any laws have taken place and this has never been collected or paid. So it is just out of the blue, a new interpretation of existing laws. That is arbitrary and capricious. We are trying to get a clarification of the law through the budget process. If they are successful in taxing this, this could ripple through the industry to other states. Also Revenue wants to go back 4 years and collect sales tax on all deer bought for preserves!!! Ridiculous!!
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Old Apr 4th 2015, 03:11 PM   #30
 
  Nov 2013
  Mission MN
Most states seem to find a way to charge sales tax on even fair chase hunts. They rule in favor of the hunt being like a vacation with accommodations . Nebraska charges 11.5% on guided or outfitted hunts , Utah is I think 6.5% , most of Canada is over 9% and so on. All of government seems to want a piece of the pie. In Minnesota all taxidermy is 100% taxable at the current rate of 6.875% as it is determined that the finished product is manufactured from non taxable commodity , namely an animal harvested . So far they have left the "livestock harvest " in a high fence alone.
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