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Old Dec 29th 2010, 02:08 PM   #1
  Dec 2010
  Pine Grove, CA
Beware all private game ranchers!!! Primarily deer and elk ranchers. This is my first posting.

Our business dreams have all been squashed. For the most part, we have checked ourselves right out of the game ranching industry after the effects of the passage of I-143 in Montana. We have simply been hanging around in “stagnant mode” until finally receiving the decision of the U. S. Supreme Court late last year on the “Takings” issue. Well, they squeaked by and beat us again. The highest court in the land decided not to hear the appeal and went along with the Montana Supreme Court decision of 4 votes to 3. Guess I can conclude, we are now beat into submission. Looks like the only place most likely safe from the ravages of the Freeloaders, Socialists, Communists, Left Wingers and Queer Judges, is Texas. They don’t allow wackos to even think about taking anything from the private game ranching industry down there. They simply run their anti hunter/tree hugging asses out! They must have sent some of those idiots up to Montana to vote. We barely lost the I-143 issue, by a public vote back in November 2000, 51% - 49%. Can you imagine, a state wide thriving agricultural industry was completely snuffed out because a couple of elk in one small private elk herd back in the 90’s, was found positive with CWD somewhere in the state. The state government and environmental wackos used that finding to run all game ranchers out of business and claimed there would be many more CWD cases to follow and that it was destined to ruin and eventually kill all the elk and deer in the state and even threaten domestic livestock and possibly human beings. Meanwhile, "each wild wolf" in the state viciously slaughters then nibbles and chews a few chunks of fresh meat from about 75 wild elk per year. That equates the numbers of slaughtered wild elk in Montana in the 10’s of thousands per year. That is a complete sickening situation. It’s getting worse all the time. Go figure!

Now we are faced with quite a dilemma; we have about 150 head of privately owned Rocky Mountain Elk. They have always been very healthy and CWD free. We cannot “shoot them for a fee” otherwise we go to jail. Even if it’s legal, it is too expensive and cumbersome to jump through all the hoops to move them out of state and they are virtually worthless for any last remaining in-state facilities.

We just want out! We now want to sell the ranch. Anybody want to buy the most gorgeous 4000 acre hunting/fishing ranch in Montana? No wonder the wackos killed the industry: 1. The “Greed Factor”; some wanted to control all the money flow of the hunting industry in the state, and 2. The “Jealousy Factor”; see for yourself why this is obvious. Go here:

If anyone knows someone with some money who may want our 4000 ac ranch with 6 miles of river, they can start with these two links:

The property is great for everything fun and exciting that all "normal" people typically enjoy except “shooting the private herd for a fee”. How about a petting zoo. J Although, here is another problem; if we transfer the deed, the breeder license becomes void. It’s highly probable that a buyer of the ranch will place the purchase money in escrow and require us to make the animals disappear. I dread the thought of us being pushed into a corner and having to slaughter all the animals and drag them to a deep open pit for their burial. We can’t allow the animals to keep us from moving on with our lives and a proper type of business investment. We can only process and store a few for meat purposes. Hey PETA and the like, this is partly your doing and it’s on your shoulders!
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Old Dec 29th 2010, 04:34 PM   #2
  Apr 2009
  Carrollton, MO
Man, Elk Rancher, you sure got the short end of the stick on this one. It really drives home how vulnerable we all are, and I would have picked Montana to be a little more on the right-side of the aisle on any issue like this. I'm as shocked as you are. Sorry you are put in this position, but if you have somehow come to peace that your animals are not going to be worth anything, and you have to find a way out of them, why not turn them out? I realize it would be difficult to drive any animals off of a 4k acre ranch, but it would serve the state right! Let their tails pucker as your "CWD-at-risk" animals trot around the state cervid herd...just a thought. I hope you find some good news in all this! Wish I had the money, I'd be flying out to see your place tomorrow. Good luck.
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Old Dec 29th 2010, 05:35 PM   #3
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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Dont charge for the elk...Charge a trespass fee and let them take an elk for free...That way yur not breakin the law but you are charging someone to go on your land..Kinda like a lease!!!
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Old Jan 1st 2011, 07:54 AM   #4
  Dec 2010
  Pine Grove, CA
I heard a couple guys in the state have tried charging a trespass fee. I also heard it can be considered a circumvention of the law and can be rendered illegal by the state if they want to press it. I don't want to go there. Plus, it could only result in a little extra chump change. Our ranch is supposed to be making now between 500K and 1M per year on private herd hunts. It now makes zero on our elk herd. Given such, the value of the property is devalued by possibly 30%. How could 4 of 7 State Supreme Court Judges consider that NOT a "condemnation"? We are owed significant money for that.

Another poster mentioned letting them out to the wild. If we did that, we would certainly end up in jail. That is definately illegal. The regulation on that idea is so over-the-top, it's just not something to even consider trying to fight. Besides, the State just ain't gettin em for free anyway.

Those of you who have ranches or especially small farm enclosures, need to wake up! It's just a matter of time before the wackos come knocking on your door. You all need to stay disease free.

The ranch is for sale.
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Old Jan 19th 2021, 06:55 PM   #5
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep & Alaskan dahl sheep
It is worse now CWD has been found in two elk farms in Montana. These farms have been testing all elk that have died or were slaughtered for 20 years. CWD is all over Montana in the wild elk and deer. That disease has entered these tested farms from any number of reasons. It could come in on hay, foxes or coyotes, bird droppings or just nose to nose contact with the States sick CWD animals. Now when the game farmer put in a head for testing it's like Russian roulette. When the State finds it in these private herds they will come in and kill all the deer or elk with just a little restitution for the animal. They said that would be another way when there is a live test. Well guess what there is a live test and other States are using it but Montana did not listen to this information. Worse yet if CWD is found in the county the game farm is in that farm will not be able to sell his stock out of State. Again making the animals worthless. They took away the best income which was to allow a person to harvest an elk or deer with I-143. Fair chase was not allowed. Well guess what fair chase is never allowed on a slaughter animal.
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