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Old Aug 4th 2014, 12:26 PM   #1
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
It has been arranged for 3 very credible influential people to testify on the 19th before the summer study panel in our Indiana legislator. I am requesting any info,bullet points and etc. on CWD or other disease issues about which our industry might be ostracized. These guys have letters in front of there names but do not have the knowledge power of all of this forum. I do not want to expose them before they testify. All info will be reviewed and will make a difference. Thanks in advance.

Please email any helpful info to

Hurricanecreekwhitetails@gmail.com
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Old Aug 4th 2014, 05:16 PM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
  Williamsport, PA


That is encouraging news. I would suggest modeling these bullet points after the ACA and Nadefa that way the message is uniform. The gent ACA has been using from Texas Tech, and I apologize as I forget his name right now (Dr. Davis?) has extensive research background in just the items you are looking for.
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Old Aug 4th 2014, 08:43 PM   #3
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Great headway is being made on many fronts here in Indiana. The summer study panel in our legislature is turning into a blessing. I think the opposition monitors this site including Member Only topics so there are things we just can't divulge yet. Great people are making great progress here!
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Old Aug 5th 2014, 01:07 PM   #4
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
I have forwarded these peoples contact information to the ACA. Thanks for everyone's interest in our deer that was not the intent for posting our email address. This morning I called my Dad and step Mom who are away out of town in NC and inquired if we had any new emails about CWD or the politics surrounding it. She said no but there were several new email from folks enquiring about semen and deer. Lol
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Old Aug 5th 2014, 02:23 PM   #5
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA


I can assure you that Terry S. Singeltary Sr. monitors all boards on this site and will go gorilla on every forum he can with anything he thinks will paint us in a bad light. We need to be able to say our piece, but realize that there are those who will take things out of context (as Terry did bits and pieces of the discussion regarding the Brakkes) to spin things how they want.


Very wise to keep things close to the vest, Jonathan, very wise.
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Old Aug 5th 2014, 02:24 PM   #6
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  Apr 2009
  Columbia, MO

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Hi Jonathan, I have a ton of information and will be more than happy to share it with you. I really think one of the best papers on current CWD information is Dr. James Krolls White paper which can be found at this link:


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http://www.drdeer.com/var/www/vhosts...9101557226.pdf


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Remember he is considered by many to be the number one authority on whitetail deer. His paper uses and quotes science based research to support his position.


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One piece of advice I'd also like to give is I'm not sure what your committee is charged with researching but remember that the important point has nothing to do with CWD or any disease. Your DNR, like Missouri's MDC does not have jurisdiction over privately owned livestock. They only have control over wildlife owned by the state. You already have a court case saying that from last October. Here is a list I put together of why our deer are livestock:


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'times new roman', serif 18ptMissouri Deer Association Position Statement concerning the classification of captive cervids as livestock 'times new roman', serif .


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'times new roman', serif The Missouri Deer Association is actively pursuing the withdrawal of White-tail deer and the other captive cervid species from the purview of MDC and the classification of those species as privately-owned livestock under the regulation of MDA, as with Elk.


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'times new roman', serif Here are some of the many reasons why:

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  1. 'times new roman', serif When any captive whitetail (or other captive cervid) breeding operation or hunting ranch is started in Missouri one has to exclude the free ranging deer of the state and buy all stock from breeders within the state or outside the state.
  2. 'times new roman', serif Every captive cervid in every operation in the state is either purchased through a legal private source or born in captivity.
  3. 'times new roman', serif All hunting rules and regulations are set by the owner of the hunting ranch and the owner of the livestock.
  4. 'times new roman', serif All of our deer are fed by the owners. We pay for feed and 100% of everything they eat.
  5. 'times new roman', serif The owners of the private captive cervids pay 100% of the vet bill for care and to keep up their herd plans.
  6. 'times new roman', serif The OWNERS of the private captive cervids pay 100% of the testing.
  7. 'times new roman', serif MDA and/or USDA currently administer all of the captive cervid health programs.
  8. 'times new roman', serif When we move captive cervids intrastate or interstate we fill out all the paperwork required by the department of Agriculture and USDA.
  9. 'times new roman', serif Indemnity has been paid and will continue to be paid on these animals. They have also been listed as livestock in the case of disaster relief funds. The USDA is not interested in indemnifying wildlife.
  10. 'times new roman', serif We pay sales tax on all the hunts we sell every month.
  11. 'times new roman', serif We pay property tax on deer because they are listed on the county assessment forms as domesticated animals or livestock.
  12. 'times new roman', serif In the eyes of the courts, our captive cervids are domesticated animals and fall under the protection of Missouri State Statute 273.020.
  13. 'times new roman', serif In one court ruling with a judgment stating these fenced in animals were livestock the court stated that in the eyes of the court, “the fact that they happened to be deer is immaterial. It was their breeding, upbringing, care and confinement that made them “domestic animals,”
  14. 'times new roman', serif Elk are wildlife on the outside of the fence and livestock on the inside of the fence and have been since 1995. So are many other species.
  15. 'times new roman', serif Many other states have moved or are in the process of moving control of their captive cervids to their Agriculture Departments. For example IA, KS, PA, and OH have all done it. In fact in Ohio, they only had one vote against the bill in the house and no votes against it in the senate.

Use what you need here but my advice is to not make this a CWD issue. Make it a private landowner and private property rights issue. Let me know what else you need and good luck!
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Old Aug 5th 2014, 05:31 PM   #7
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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I can assure you that Terry S. Singeltary Sr. monitors all boards on this site and will go gorilla on every forum he can with anything he thinks will paint us in a bad light. We need to be able to say our piece, but realize that there are those who will take things out of context (as Terry did bits and pieces of the discussion regarding the Brakkes) to spin things how they want.


Very wise to keep things close to the vest, Jonathan, very wise.




Someday someone is going to put Mr Singeltary in his place one of these days and i for one cant wait for the day. That guy spews more lies than Ryan could ever dream up. He lives in Texas and they have been known to make people disappear at times in that state for the crap he does to farmers. Not just deer here either!
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Old Aug 9th 2014, 05:27 PM   #8
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
The DNR experts list right now looks like: Dr David Clausen from Wisconsin, Bryan Richards from USGS wildlife disease center, Dr Kelly Straka from Missouri- the state wildlife vet, and someone from the QDMA to be identified( likely Dr. Fischer)
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Old Aug 9th 2014, 06:42 PM   #9
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN


Clausen* basically has no background besides being on the dnr board, sort of a self proclaimed CWD expert.* He is a veterinarian who was in private practice before that job.
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Old Aug 9th 2014, 06:57 PM   #10
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Thanks Jerri Lee

Any info about these guys and gals that defines them and further exposes their agendas would be helpful information. I know Clausen and Governor Walker have been butting heads. I am sure that won't sit well with Mike Pence.
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