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Old Sep 2nd 2014, 02:07 PM   #16
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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With the CFIA talking about not allowing grain movement out of endemic areas, this should be an eye opener to every one. *Also with the research paper out of U of W stating that prions can be uptaken in to corn and alfalfa also adds fuel to the fire. *The question will be soon asked, *"Can we afford the wild deer herd any longer?" *"Can we allow the wild deer to run willy-nilly across the landscape spreading prions on our richest farm land, threatening our food supply and export ability of cereal *grains?" *These wild deer could be polluting our farmland for over 20 years, according to the DNR. *Maybe ALL deer should be behind fences!!!! * At least our deer can be controlled and monitored behind a fence.


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The articles that the Ryan Sabalow's have written can be flipped to condemn the wild deer herd to death. *They think they are cunningly writing investigative stories about our industry, trying expose "made up" or "hyped" threats that we may present. *But in fact they are building the case to condemn the wild herd to extinction. The trouble is Ryan Sabalow is too stupid to know that he may be doing the exact opposite of what he is trying to do. *Ryan Sabalow in fact maybe condemning the wild deer herd. *


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Look what happened to the beef industry with just 1 case of BSE in the US over 10 years ago. *It took years to get our beef exports back from some of the Asian countries, in fact Mexico just started buying beef last year. *All this over 1 case in cattle almost 15 years ago. *What happens if these countries think our grain supply is contaminated with prions? *With politics in the world, being what they are today, don't you think other countries are just looking for excuses to embargo our products. *Our own outdoor writers and DNR's are making the case for them. *


Remember the cases in Texas, where the HSUS lady said, on 60 minutes, that she would rather see these animals go extinct than to be hunted? * She lobbied hard for the law to make it illegal to harvest these endangered animals from Africa. * HSUS wants to eliminate hunting. *If these people think the wild deer are also jeopardizing our food supply, don't you think they will lobby to get rid of the wild deer, thus also getting rid of hunting. *Killing two birds with one stone.


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I think the outdoor writers and DNR"s should tone down their rhetoric, or there could be consequences they never thought of.


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Just something to think about.


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Gary




Gary can you show where to go to find this info on CFIA and others not accepting grain from CWD states. *There are some that say there is no info to be found on this? Old news on BSE but not the CWD grain. Thanks!!
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Old Sep 2nd 2014, 05:37 PM   #17
 
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  Lanesboro, Minnesota
20pt;(0,128,0);'Times New Roman', Times, serifMajor grain organizations oppose CFIA's control zone approach to chronic wasting disease
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(0,0,0);'Times New Roman', Times, serifIn the June newsletter, we reported that* CFIA has proposed using a control zone approach to control the spread of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD).*This would restrict the movement of cereal grain screenings within and out of the primary control zones,*those being all of Saskatchewan and parts of southern Alberta. Since CFIA did not consult the feed industry or any of the key grain industry stakeholders before developing the control zone proposal, a broad range of negative, and presumably unintended consequences have emerged during subsequent analysis by industry.
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(0,0,0);'Times New Roman', Times, serifTherefore, over the past several weeks ANAC has teamed up with other stakeholders including the*grain elevator, milling and malting associations to prepare a joint submission to the Minister of Agriculture to delineate the negative economic and logistical impacts of CFIA's proposed control zone approach.
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(0,0,0);'Times New Roman', Times, serif CFIA as the developer of the proposal has not provided the scientific and risk-based evidence to support these extraordinary measures to control CWD. Thus, our letter to the minister emphasized the fact that restrictions on the movement of grain screenings would be a misdirected attempt to halt the spread of the disease, given the improbability that screenings are in fact a significant disease vector associated with CWD.
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(0,0,0);'Times New Roman', Times, serif We also highlighted to the minister that Canada's reputation as a reliable supplier of grains and oilseeds will be undermined if CFIA's proposal is implemented.* Western Canada supplies cereal crops valued at over $7.0 billion annually to the export market, with the annual value of exports from Saskatchewan and Alberta exceeding $3.6 billion and $1.4 billion respectively. Moreover, the proposed restrictions would adversely affect at least 7 categories of grain businesses at both the international and domestic levels, including wheat milling, oat milling, malting, ethanol, feed manufacturing, seed cleaning and grain handling.*
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(0,0,0);'Times New Roman', Times, serifCFIA's control zone proposal is also unanimously opposed by the cervid farming industry. Farmers are in agreement that the spread of CWD needs to be controlled, however they support the use of a farmed-based risk management system, which is more consistent with CFIA's mandate to deliver outcome-based solutions. We are hopeful that the joint submission, signed by the major players in the feed and grain industries, will prompt CIFA to propose an alternative workable solution to control CWD.
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Old Sep 3rd 2014, 09:48 AM   #18
 
  Jul 2014
  Waveland, Misissippi


I agree, I was pretty ticked at Outdoor life magazine which I have read since I was a kid and have kept every issue since 1970 to see a short story in the first couple of pages portraying him a staged photo shoot with camo gear on and* lab next to him. Liberal journalism has taken over in alot of our outdoor lifestyle in the past 12 years and this sorry POS trying to play the blame game and use liberal media tactics to promote his status is just a joke. Let him try and do some real world reporting on infection rates on free range animals and some of the stupid stuff that get done by state agencies moving deer around a state or out of state with out any health checks when the captive industry has to provide documentation and 100 % testing before any movement. It was the last issue Outdoor Life I will ever buy.
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Old Sep 4th 2014, 05:53 AM   #19
 
  Jul 2014
  Waveland, Misissippi


In regards to grain uptakes of prions, Research I have done myself in the past 4 years shows that in areas of the Midwest and parts of Canada where Alfalfa are grown and are located in areas supposed to be in zones that are considered cwd possible or confirmed zones, Deer and Elk that graze in these fields and have been doing so for years have the ability to transfer the prion via urine or fecal matter deposits buy the animals into the soil.The plants are only transfer units for macro /micro nutrients in your soil. Proins can be uptaken into the alfalfa this way.


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So all that crap you hear from the questionable deer management asso *bunch and people with out first hand info making statements that cwd gets transported in the back of trailers and trucks!!! Well its clear it can be done by transporting it in the form of Alfalfa and some grains*from across state lines or border territories . If buying hay make sure when you buy it comes from a area locally that you know is*safe and no disease presence . Be careful to look at places in western states that raise alfalfa or cereal grains*in cwd zones and pass on importing hay from that area.If in your feed mixtures please take time to find out where your mill or provider is getting his alfalfa or grains from that may go into your*feeds.*This was something that was not really taken into consideration a few years back. And is a strong possible vector of transmission. Also I have been working on the sheep migration and use on open range parts of the west and upper Midwest and reviewing Scrapie outbreaks and other disease relates illnesses and die offs from the early 1800s till now along these routes .


Its not yet complete as I still have a lot of work to be completed but yes Sheep moved for years and were bought and sold and shipped via rail cars and also moved over land to new areas and grasslands* for over 100 years. This is also another strong vector of transmission we are looking at and hopefully*put a stop to the blame game played by the*Questionable Deer Management Asso and others. I informed Rhonda*about some of the research we are conducting and connecting the dots. But accessing old live stock records and rail shipments from a century ago is a long task but a worth while one and we are making head way. You don't see any of these so called private conservation groups doing this*. Also to add, I researched the Questionable Deer Managements donations list in there tax reviews and note this You hear them*always ask*for donations*to fight cwd, but they use those donations for media publications and press releases and in 10 year they have not donated*a dollar to any independent lab for*cwd research. Or a facility to look at what can be done to help combat the problem.* This blame game with them and their left hand groups has gotten old and need to be brought to attention of the public and all the misinformation that has been spread from them as well as HUSA ,PETA,*Camo Coalition and liberal news paper groups. Its time to get the science based facts straight.**
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Old Sep 4th 2014, 09:55 AM   #20
 
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  Clear Lake, Iowa
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Good morning Rhonda and it was great talking with you last week. Its really sad to see it end this way and having all your records and info in order for inspections get put through this. That nut case Singleterry with his smart as comments to you guys on the questionable deer management asso forum was way out of line and there is no apology you can make for a guy with a severe OCD self induced paranoid problem that only blogs and spams others info he pulls from the web, I stated one time and gave him open invite to sit inn a meet and greet media covered room and see how tough and smart he is with out his google search button to push and as always he runs and replies with a childish remark to redirect the attention. But I know we talked about feed and hay and several other subjects and the old sheep grazing that was done for years up your way from the 1800s to the 1950s and when I get some more complete time lines through archive research I will forward this info to you. Hope that the samples taken are going to be used for more modern research and not based on Prusniers method.
Thank you, Jon, for the call. It will be interesting. It was during court that we discovered that Iowa had reported 82 positive flocks of sheep in the state of Iowa since 2001. You can see the map if you look under "Latest articles", titled "Scrapies in Iowa Since 2001". In Iowa, 44 counties out of 99, have had positive findings of scrapies since 2001. However, these findings have not been reported to the general public in Iowa. With that, how many positive flocks were identified in Iowa prior to 2001, when scrapies was a real problem????


However, we find one case of CWD and you can see for yourself what kind of reaction the publishers were looking for in regard to CWD. The photo of this emaciated mule deer from Colorado Research Facility has been sent over the entire state of Iowa in full color, 8-1/2 x 11 sheets for the outdoors man of Iowa and beyond it's borders with our name and property associated to it. Nowhere on the cover of their magazine do they identify the animal in this picture property of Colorado Research Facility.....


No matter what our results are, our name and property will be headlining every newspaper and t.v. news station in Iowa.
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Old Sep 4th 2014, 10:03 AM   #21
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa


Nearing completion of our clean-up......all the wood will be burned and metal taken for recycling.
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Old Sep 4th 2014, 10:55 AM   #22
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Nearing completion of our clean-up......all the wood will be burned and metal taken for recycling.




So,So stupid..You watch, this will all be for not if the important people start saying they will not ship grains because of CWD. You will see some massive back peddling by the states DNR and such and they will be saying that CWD is no big deal any longer. You know, Kinda like the state of Iowa already did!!!!!!
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Old Sep 4th 2014, 03:16 PM   #23
 
  Jul 2012
  Kentucky


So whats happens to the equipment that is being used to tear down and push up everything?
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Old Sep 4th 2014, 10:00 PM   #24
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
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So,So stupid..You watch, this will all be for not if the important people start saying they will not ship grains because of CWD. You will see some massive back peddling by the states DNR and such and they will be saying that CWD is no big deal any longer. You know, Kinda like the state of Iowa already did!!!!!!


So true....In fact, as reported in the Rapid City Journal dated February 25, 2013, apparently CWD is not such a big deal for wildlife as they removed the fence and released 500 exposed animals from Wind Cave National Park after 15 years of CWD exposure. Of course the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation funded the two helicopters to assist in this release. Since 1998, 45 animals tested positive of the 140 samples collected. Was this made possible because the CWD Rule dated 2012 exempted wildlife from any CWD monitoring requirements? Oh I know, Custer State Park area is considered an endemic zone, but in reality, should it now be classified as a CWD hot zone?


Bear in mind, this release came out just one month following our depopulation of approximately 225 animals from our hunting preserve in Davis County in January of 2013. Of the 225 animals tested, 2 animals were found positive. Now we are having to fight to have our property rights restored, as the DNR is requesting a five to ten year quarantine on the property for less than 1% infection rate. Of course, we are required to maintain the property taxes, mortgage payments, maintenance of the buildings and fences during this quarantine period. In Iowa, air conditioning is almost required during summer to avoid mold and mildew damage and in the winter you must have heat.


Just 10 miles from Wind Cave National Park, they are advertising alfalfa hay for sale:


Posted: Thu Jul 17 2014 2:48 pm

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Large Round Alfalfa Hay Bales for Sale: Baled the middle of July. Net Wrapped. Quantity of 21 Bales. $125/Ton. Available to load your trailer. Call **
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CERTIFIED HAY REQUIREMENTS IN SOUTH DAKOTA

WEST RIVER SD


Ron Johnson Caputa, SD 605.393.2253

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Horse campers planning to stay at French Creek Horse Camp in Custer State Park should contact Phil Lampert @ 605.673.5436 who is the concessionaire at Blue Bell Trail Rides. He may have sufficient hay on hand to sell in the park.

One Example of Land for Sale with alfalfa pasture
Custer County, South Dakota
Acres: 800

500+/- acres of cultivated hay land and 300+/- acres of pasture land. Forage consists of a combination of cool season, alfalfa, and native grasses. Cultivated hay acres were in CRP and could be farmed. The land has a half mile of Cottonwood Cutoff Road frontage on the east side of the property. Property is located from Fairburn, South Dakota: south on Fairburn Road 9.5 miles to Cottonwood Cutoff Road, turn left (east) for two miles, and the land is approximately 1/4 mile south on the section line. For additional information, please contact Bryce Nelson, Agent, at (605) 343-8697 or (605) 484-7713.

Listing ID: L-1400544

Price: $960,000.00
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Public sector response to CWD:

Set them free. Question: Does mother nature take care of the problem over time or was the herd highly infected at the time of release? Another release is expected in the future.

Private sector response to CWD

We on the other hand, were quarantined for two years and did what we felt to be responsible and, of course, economical and stopped breeding our animals. You deer farmers undestand how much it costs to feed these animals. Would hate to guess what would have happened to us if we had handled our initially overpopulated breed facility like that of Wind Cave.
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Old Sep 4th 2014, 10:02 PM   #25
 
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  Clear Lake, Iowa
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So whats happens to the equipment that is being used to tear down and push up everything?
We will do the best we can to clean and disinfect all machinery. Very thankful to have the help of friends, family, and of course our farm family boys.
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Old Sep 5th 2014, 05:42 AM   #26
 
  Jul 2014
  Waveland, Misissippi


Oh yea , It sucks to see that, I would talk to your lawyer and see about slander and deffimation *of character to business. That old pic is used by so many animal rights groups and qdma bunch to promote their single track agenda. So you see the sheep deal I told you about is no joke. And yes You don't hear these so called conservation groups or state wildlife agencies talking any about this at all. Tracing down all the old reports from*mexico north and east**is taking time but I have to be accurate when I release the final data. In addition to every dead animal left on open range it either decomposes at the site and or parts dragged away by predators and buzzards to be left in another area. Look at this over a 100 year period and you can see where its going. Remember years ago the sheep and cattle farmer wars we had out west and ranchers not wanting the sheep herders making contact with their cattle for fear of disease and also grazing rights was a part of it but disease was a very strong addressed issue in the mid 1800s.***Any input from others on here will be very much helpful and if you know of any old *sheep and scrapie outbreaks in your state at any time please let me know.** On a outside note* the I got it on good concormation*Questionable *Deer Management Bunch is gonna get a big surprise here very shortly. *
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