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Old Oct 18th 2014, 07:36 AM   #16
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
John R Fischer caused the problem when the standards were being negotiated. He is the QDMA's most educated pawn.

Why didn't our industry leadership take a firmer stand against the over regulation of our animals years ago? The regulatory programs we now face are an injustice. How long has it been since a deer farm had brucellosis? Yet we all are required to test 100% of our adults if we move them intrastate. No other livestock is required to do this. A single blood test of the animals being moved should be sufficient. The required TB accreditation of our entire herd for intrastate movement also goes way beyond the regulation required for intrastate movement of any other kind of livestock. I believe some of our highly paid industry leaders involved in negotiating these standards and programs have been naive and lacked the foresight to see the big picture. When semen was selling for $10,000+ and doe for $50,000 it was easy to say ok to the fees associated with all the regulation. We could all pay the associated vet bills much easier when the markets were strong. We are facing tough times and we need tough leadership. Now closed boarders and unfair regulation are weakening us all.

It is time to go to court!
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 09:21 AM   #17
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


Jonathan, *I just finished my 3 year, TB blood tests this week, on almost 280 head. * My Vet. asked me why we were testing. *I said we were told by the state we needed be TB tested to move over state lines. *He said Minnesota is classified as *a "free accredited state". *That means ALL livestock in Minnesota should be accredited. *Cattle don't need to be tested to leave Minnesota, why do deer? *Jerilee, as a Vet., can you answer this question for me? *My Vet. thinks this is BS.
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 09:36 AM   #18
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Gary

This over regulation is the result of compromising by our leadership who have lacked something when standing up to the likes of John R Fischer during negotiation. When a former head of an animal rights group heads up the government funded group in charge of overseeing these programs we are screwed and pissing in the wind. It is time to let the courts decide if this over regulation is B.S.
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 11:06 AM   #19
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN


Gary,


When did they stop TB/Bangs testing cattle to go across state lines.* I know when I graduated they did.* Since I did no cattle work I'm not sure when this change took place.* We need to see how it was approached by the cattle industry to stop the testing.* We are mandated by the USDA to do so, but how many positives of either in farmed cervid has their been, and if so when???? these are questions we need to be asking to have ammunition to try to get relief from testing.
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 03:53 PM   #20
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


Minnesota and Iowa are TB free and accredited states. *I believe Wisconsin is also. *An accredited state does no have to test cattle that leaves the state. *There was an issue 7-8 years ago in NW Minnesota when they found that some wild deer and cattle from Texas had TB. *We lost our accreditation for a while until they were all disposed of. *
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 05:40 PM   #21
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
Gary, Do you know, specifically, how the state of MN cleaned up the wild herd for TB? Did they eradicate a certain mile radius?? Would be very helpful to know this information.


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Old Oct 18th 2014, 06:57 PM   #22
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


Dr. Anderson will know that.
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Old Oct 19th 2014, 04:50 PM   #23
 
  Sep 2010
  Wykoff, MN
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Gary,

When did they stop TB/Bangs testing cattle to go across state lines.* I know when I graduated they did.* Since I did no cattle work I'm not sure when this change took place.* We need to see how it was approached by the cattle industry to stop the testing.* We are mandated by the USDA to do so, but how many positives of either in farmed cervid has their been, and if so when???? these are questions we need to be asking to have ammunition to try to get relief from testing.


There has never been a positive Bruc. Discovered in farmed cervid in however many years of testing! I believe the same is true for TB.
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Old Oct 20th 2014, 08:28 PM   #24
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
It is very important that each of the deer be DNA-ed on the farms where CWD research is being conducted. I believe at some point a genetic marker may indicate a resistant geno-type. I hope this hasn't been overlooked.
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Old Oct 20th 2014, 10:11 PM   #25
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
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It is very important that each of the deer be DNA-ed on the farms where CWD research is being conducted. I believe at some point a genetic marker may indicate a resistant geno-type. I hope this hasn't been overlooked.


Bell, This has not been overlooked and is a very important component in the research being conducted on my farm. Thank you for pointing that out. Another very good USAHA conference I am attending....
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Old Oct 22nd 2014, 06:41 AM   #26
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
I hope there is some discussion at the conference on the spread of EHD via seasonal movements of livestock that are reservoir host for the virus. I think this is something that is conveniently ignored by those who oppose us. Furthermore, I believe it is a truth that is squelched or swept under the rug by our government animal health administrators while they allow the problems associated with CWD to be blown out of proportion by those who oppose the deer farmer. The deer farmer is allowed to be perceived as one who is potentially spreading disease that is putting other ruminants and livestock at risk. In my opinion it is the other way around. Another culprit is the main reservoir host spreading the virus around decimating areas of the wild deer population and our privately owned deer. There is no testing, observation or inspection for EHD symptoms required before cattle are allowed to move interstate during EHD season. You are completely free to move a drooling cow from any state where EHD is an ongoing pandemic is you so chose. It is barnyard fertilizer ignorant that we are ostracized as deer farmers and a blind eye is turned to other livestock. The whitetail and mule deer could be taken to near extinction in one year if a wicked enough strain of EHD were spread around. Is it really animal health that is genuinely cared about here or is it politics and money?
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Old Oct 22nd 2014, 07:48 AM   #27
 
  Jul 2014
  Waveland, Misissippi


Jon, You hit the nail on the head again, personally knowing Fisher he is very much engaged with qdma and they side line with each other on a very regular basis, They do use him a mouthpiece for their agendas to discredit our industry.
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Old Oct 22nd 2014, 07:54 AM   #28
 
  Jul 2014
  Waveland, Misissippi


Jon I brought*EHD *up at the conference to get a point across and it was received by all those in the room.*And it would have been nice if Wolff would have allowed so many of the people in the room to ask*questions*that needed to be heard but she wanted so much control* of the room and limited folks from bringing some important topics to the forefront .
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Old Oct 22nd 2014, 08:07 AM   #29
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Jon,

When you bring up an EHD question about the potential that the virus is being spread by the seasonal movements of livestock. Animal health officials nod that you are correct, but it is like their lips are cut off. It seems there must be orders from someone at the top of the chain not to discuss it.
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Old Oct 22nd 2014, 01:57 PM   #30
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Today there is one less state Indiana can import deer from for at least five years.
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