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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 09:22 AM   #1
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This guy sure is pushing something the state of Iowa themselves say is no big deal!
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 10:50 AM   #2
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Where is the scientific proof that CWD is always fatal? Could some deer be resistant and living vibrant lives with the prion in their bodies?
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 11:01 AM   #3
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  upstate ny

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Yes and add that to the fact that USDAIs making the payment which says farmer and the payment for EHD for farmers which says farming but states like Missouri say its not farming and should be a DNR thing! This was bound to happen when the rule came out that states can make their own rules above and beyond. If that was never implemented then our doors would not be shut and Florida along with now others that threaten!
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 11:30 AM   #4
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There was a small group of barnyard fertilizer ignorant deer farmers in Florida that facilitated their boarder closing. The isolation in Florida is driven by greed and has nothing to do with animal health. Their chickens will come home to roost for getting a few smart people on their side then tricking the dummies. Isolationism is a recipe for weakness leading to failure long term. A few may get rich in the short term but in the end many will suffer.
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 12:48 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
  Magnolia, Ohio


Do people realize that the website deerbreeders.com is, or at least was, run by people in FL who fought to close their borders? Yet, if you go to the state pages, there are many deer farms paying to advertise there. Doesn't make much sense.
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 12:51 PM   #6
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Our farm was never on there and I told them why. You are so right. It is very annoying to see breeders from Indiana listed on that sight. Many are on there because of ignorance due to the fact they don't even have internet access. That is really no excuse. People should do their homework. I will never do business with any one of that group or those who associate with them.
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 02:43 PM   #7
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA


We all saw the photos of the Brakke's deer that were depopulated- what a sick looking bunch of deer, eh? If CWD positive deer look like that at several years of age, I'd say they should do a little more research about just how bad the disease really is! The worst of it is, no matter what came of it, the sentence imposed on those people and those deer is criminal.
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 04:34 PM   #8
 
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  Clear Lake, Iowa
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We all saw the photos of the Brakke's deer that were depopulated- what a sick looking bunch of deer, eh? If CWD positive deer look like that at several years of age, I'd say they should do a little more research about just how bad the disease really is! The worst of it is, no matter what came of it, the sentence imposed on those people and those deer is criminal.


Just recently I was in the grocery store and a woman gave me a hug and told me how sorry she was about our deer "situation". I thanked her and, as we visited about the deer, I pulled out a picture of our herd from my purse, I told her that our herd tested 80% positive for Chronic Wasting Disease. Her response was that maybe someone needs to reevaluate the "wasting" in Chronic Wasting Disease. I must say, this is one of the more interesting responses I have received from the general public.
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 04:44 PM   #9
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
I find it interesting that the US is still allowing people to fly internationally and enter the US with no screening for Ebola, but would not allow us to move our deer 160 miles as the crow flies, and remove them from the landscape with no expense to taxpayers!
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 05:06 PM   #10
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


I was there when they depopulated the bucks. *I was with Tom the night before, and we moved one pen of bucks to another pen. *These deer looked completely healthy. *You could put these bucks on anyones farm, and they would have fit right in. *The bucks moved fine and jumped like normal deer. *These pictures they use of a skinny sick deer are a fraud, and shouldn't be linked to the Brakke herd. *That is not the true picture of CWD. *This is not the true story of CWD.


This claim that CWD is an always fatal disease can not be proven since there is no live test. *Also, *many of these deer were only lymph node positive and not brain stem positive. *That is why the number is so skewed. *Lymph node positive only shows that the animal carries the infectious agent agent that "could" turn into CWD. *No one knows for sure if a lymph positive will develop into full blown CWD. *We don't know if 100% go onto CWD. *There is no live test to show this. *The animal is always dead [usually from a bullet] when this is found and we can't continue the test.


These news articles are blowing this up, but they don't say a word about the Red Deer farm we had up here in Minnesota that had only 1 case out of 500 animals after depopulation.


These outdoor writers keep pointing the finger at deer farms, but look at Wisconsin and Illinois where there is the biggest out-break in the wild. *These out-breaks weren't linked to farms. *My question to them is " Can we really afford to have the wild deer on the landscape?" * Since deer are such a big threat to our environment and food supply, as they are making it sound, should we allow the wild contaminated deer to run willy-nilly around our landscape polluting our soils with prions? *Now that prions are linked to plant uptakes, should that be a concern? *Look what the Canadian Food and Safety tried to do to restrict grain movements out of endemic zones. *In Brakkes herd plan, they are restricted from some feed sales off there land. *What is USDA not telling us? *These outdoor writers can complain about us all they want, but all they are really doing is digging the grave for the wild deer herd. *At some point the grain farmers of this country will get concerned about their land being polluted by the wild herd, and the possibilities of grain restrictions [embargoes] of movements to foreign countries. [ If you don't think this can't happen, look at the 1 case of BSE we had in cattle 10-15 years ago. *It took years to get those beef markets back.] *Then maybe the wildlife agencies will be held accountable for maintaining a artificially high, unsustainable number of wild deer on the landscape, just to satisfy the whims of grumbling hunters, that want more government subsidized deer to hunt for free. *


Deer farming is an industry, that pays taxes, yet we have people in this country that want an industry put out of business, to protect a government subsided entitlement, wild deer hunting. * Isn't there something wrong with this? *Isn't this America any longer?


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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 05:15 PM   #11
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I was there when they depopulated the bucks. *I was with Tom the night before, and we moved one pen of bucks to another pen. *These deer looked completely healthy. *You could put these bucks on anyones farm, and they would have fit right in. *The bucks moved fine and jumped like normal deer. *These pictures they use of a skinny sick deer are a fraud, and shouldn't be linked to the Brakke herd. *That is not the true picture of CWD. *This is not the true story of CWD.


This claim that CWD is an always fatal disease can not be proven since there is no live test. *Also, *many of these deer were only lymph node positive and not brain stem positive. *That is why the number is so skewed. *Lymph node positive only shows that the animal carries the infectious agent agent that "could" turn into CWD. *No one knows for sure if a lymph positive will develop into full blown CWD. *We don't know if 100% go onto CWD. *There is no live test to show this. *The animal is always dead [usually from a bullet] when this is found and we can't continue the test.


These news articles are blowing this up, but they don't say a word about the Red Deer farm we had up here in Minnesota that had only 1 case out of 500 animals after depopulation.


These outdoor writers keep pointing the finger at deer farms, but look at Wisconsin and Illinois where there is the biggest out-break in the wild. *These out-breaks weren't linked to farms. *My question to them is " Can we really afford to have the wild deer on the landscape?" * Since deer are such a big threat to our environment and food supply, as they are making it sound, should we allow the wild contaminated deer to run willy-nilly around our landscape polluting our soils with prions? *Now that prions are linked to plant uptakes, should that be a concern? *Look what the Canadian Food and Safety tried to do to restrict grain movements out of endemic zones. *In Brakkes herd plan, they are restricted from some feed sales off there land. *What is USDA not telling us? *These outdoor writers can complain about us all they want, but all they are really doing is digging the grave for the wild deer herd. *At some point the grain farmers of this country will get concerned about their land being polluted by the wild herd, and the possibilities of grain restrictions [embargoes] of movements to foreign countries. [ If you don't think this can't happen, look at the 1 case of BSE we had in cattle 10-15 years ago. *It took years to get those beef markets back.] *Then maybe the wildlife agencies will be held accountable for maintaining a artificially high, unsustainable number of wild deer on the landscape, just to satisfy the whims of grumbling hunters, that want more government subsidized deer to hunt for free. *


Deer farming is an industry, that pays taxes, yet we have people in this country that want an industry put out of business, to protect a government subsided entitlement, wild deer hunting. * Isn't there something wrong with this? *Isn't this America any longer?




I for one cant wait untill something like this comes out of Canada. You let word spread of that comin down the line and you watch how fast CWD becomes something nobody needs to be concerned of!
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Old Oct 2nd 2014, 05:51 PM   #12
 
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  Lanesboro, Minnesota


If the CFIA wasn't concerned, why did they implement the restrictions??


Look how fast their grain industry got this over-turned. *What would our grain industry say?


It is all about the money.


If it came down to saving the wild deer herd or the U.S. grain industry, who do you think would win?


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If the U.S. grain industry went after the DNR, who do you think would win? *I would bet that CWD wouldn't be an issue any longer.


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'Times New Roman', Times, serif 12pxIn the June newsletter, we reported that CFIA has proposed using a control zone approach to control the spread of Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD). This would restrict the movement of cereal grain screenings within and out of the primary control zones, those being all of Saskatchewan and parts of southern Alberta. Since CFIA did not consult the feed industry or any of the key grain industry stakeholders before developing the control zone proposal, a broad range of negative, and presumably unintended consequences have emerged during subsequent analysis by industry.
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'Times New Roman', Times, serif 12pxTherefore, over the past several weeks ANAC has teamed up with other stakeholders including the*grain elevator, milling and malting associations to prepare a joint submission to the Minister of Agriculture to delineate the negative economic and logistical impacts of CFIA's proposed control zone approach.
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'Times New Roman', Times, serif 12px CFIA as the developer of the proposal has not provided the scientific and risk-based evidence to support these extraordinary measures to control CWD. Thus, our letter to the minister emphasized the fact that restrictions on the movement of grain screenings would be a misdirected attempt to halt the spread of the disease, given the improbability that screenings are in fact a significant disease vector associated with CWD.
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'Times New Roman', Times, serif 12pxWe also highlighted to the minister that Canada's reputation as a reliable supplier of grains and oilseeds will be undermined if CFIA's proposal is implemented.* Western Canada supplies cereal crops valued at over $7.0 billion annually to the export market, with the annual value of exports from Saskatchewan and Alberta exceeding $3.6 billion and $1.4 billion respectively. Moreover, the proposed restrictions would adversely affect at least 7 categories of grain businesses at both the international and domestic levels, including wheat milling, oat milling, malting, ethanol, feed manufacturing, seed cleaning and grain handling.*
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'Times New Roman', Times, serif 12pxCFIA's control zone proposal is also unanimously opposed by the cervid farming industry. Farmers are in agreement that the spread of CWD needs to be controlled, however they support the use of a farmed-based risk management system, which is more consistent with CFIA's mandate to deliver outcome-based solutions. We are hopeful that the joint submission, signed by the major players in the feed and grain industries, will prompt CIFA to propose an alternative workable solution to control CWD.
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Old Oct 3rd 2014, 07:56 AM   #13
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa


This is what I received from QDMA. *Never have I posted on their forums, only sent Terry Singletary a PRIVATE message.*


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Old Oct 3rd 2014, 08:11 AM   #14
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This is what I received from QDMA. *Never have I posted on their forums, only sent Terry Singletary a PRIVATE message.*


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Yeah i got the same thing..3 times! lol *You can go back on with another user name. Its takes them awhile to catch on. That is if you want to waste your time over there. I bet you wont see that piece of crap post something like the email i got today showing all the great research that finally came out of a depopulation..At your expense! * I cant wait till the day that some Texas deer farmer shoves their pointed boots right up his a$$! *Charly???
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Old Oct 3rd 2014, 09:45 AM   #15
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Is Terry Singletary ignoring the CFIA's proposed regulations on grain movement? Why doesn't he flap his gums about hay and grain movement and the potential contamination of equipment in which it moves??? Is he posting all over AG sites and to the USDA warning of the coming apocalypse?
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