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Old Dec 2nd 2010, 08:18 AM   #31
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
The hunt I mentioned above for my son in law and his father will be at Andy's place as we discussed this a few months ago. I would have liked to get him a nice 130 class buck but that will be up to him if he decides to get out his CC while at the Wilderness, hahahaha. You see, Andy and I go way back and he lets me take guests in myself at times to hunt since I know his land very well and that makes for a great hunt sometimes. Looking forward to Christmas this year and the hunt to follow.
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Old Dec 2nd 2010, 02:58 PM   #32
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  Apr 2009
  Defiance, MO

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We are going to need someone from each state and someone from the NEDEFA board will have to step up and oversee all of this.
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Old Dec 2nd 2010, 03:56 PM   #33
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
agreed but it would be easier to show others results first to get more on board. It might have to start with a few states and grow from there, I don't know but what I do know is people like to see some data showing how it works and the benifits. Remember, any advertising will bring animal rights people out so be ready for that. I always like taking the first step, I hate being on the defensive.
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Old Dec 2nd 2010, 04:02 PM   #34
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
I just got a call from Windy Hill Whitetails and they will donate a doe or a buck to help out IF it will help out both breeders and preserve owner alike since we are all in this together anyway. Nice to see some step up so quickly, it shows how much people want this industry to grow back to what it was and who knows, maybe more.
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Old Dec 2nd 2010, 05:35 PM   #35
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
Paul you can count for up here in ny!!!I could even set up a donated hunt if anyone wanted to come up here in gods country...
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Old Dec 2nd 2010, 06:12 PM   #36
 
  Aug 2009
  Everett, PA
Concerning passes. When you sign up for a booth you get four passes so you can have four people in the booth every day. You can also pass the passes to each other day by day
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Old Dec 3rd 2010, 01:54 PM   #37
 
  Jul 2010
  Waynesboro, Pa 17268
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Heck, If someone can get me a pass for the show I can help them as well and also maybe push the raffle, just a thought. I want to help the only way I can at this point. I love this business and as you all, I want it to grow back to where it was but we need hunters.


Im with Henry here, I can team up with him to do Pa Show. Like him i am in the slow part of the year for me so i also have time on my hands and would be more than happy to help out how i can.



Who is taking this up with NADEFA? What is the next step? We need an action plan put together here, and who is doing what you know. Feel free to shoot me an email if there is more i can do.



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Old Dec 3rd 2010, 02:41 PM   #38
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
One good thing that would come from doing a raffle and having people sign up for the drawing would be a nice big data base of names, think about it, a mass mailer could be done from the state organazation to each person who signed up informing them about what the PA Deer Farmers are all about and the good we all do, great PR and we could take an offense position instead of a defense. If the PA Deer farmers or someone paid for a booth I would certainly work the booth and have people sign up for some free hunts. We would need more preserves and more deer
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Old Dec 3rd 2010, 02:51 PM   #39
 
  Jul 2010
  Waynesboro, Pa 17268
Henry, Maybe you and i could get together here, maybe with these guys input and ideas draw something up and present it here on a state level (PADFA) and see if we cant get something going. If we want to do the Pa show we should probably get something rolling. Put in some calls to some perserves and other farmers not on here. Actually follow threw with this great idea.
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Old Dec 3rd 2010, 04:21 PM   #40
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Mathew I would be happy to help out on this as well.....I would love to get the ball rolling with this idea.............this is definitly what we need to be doing...i am a bit taken back with the known names in the industry kind of just sitting back and saying nothing.........sometimes I wonder if everyone truly does want this industry to grow and thrive......anyhow......I would be happy to help out in any way....even at the shows if necessary!!
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Old Dec 4th 2010, 06:16 AM   #41
 
  Jul 2010
  Waynesboro, Pa 17268
after being on this site i have learned alot about the guys on here. We have alot of watchers, alot of great ideas, even more oppinions, but the one thing we are short on is action. Everyone on here means well though and i really injoy the conversations that take place on here, and you all letting me participate.



Just a thought here: I like pauls idea. along with what henry is saying. Maybe us guy here in Pa get togther here yourself, henry, me and who ever else what to come along. We come up with something to do here in Pa. and take to PADFA to get something going for sportsmans show.



Im throwing away the NADEFA deal here. Just thinkign maybe if we come up with something here on a state level it may be a blueprint or even easier for that matter to get something rolling on a national level. Just thinking of taking a little bit of the cow vs the hole rump. It may be faster to organize something localy then something nationaly.



We need to get a commity togeather to draft up such a plan to present to an organization such as NADEFA and PADFA. Just a couple of thoughts!



feel free to contact me anyone interested. " keep moving forward"



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Old Dec 4th 2010, 07:59 AM   #42
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  Defiance, MO

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Matt its always tough to find volunteers.
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Old Dec 4th 2010, 03:03 PM   #43
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Sounds like a good plan Mathew.....someone needs to speak to Dave griffith and see what his thoughts are on the idea....is the Pres of Pa organization and we definitly need his support.
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Old Dec 6th 2010, 11:59 AM   #44
 
  Jul 2010
  Waynesboro, Pa 17268
we got alot of ideas here to build off of. But for some reason we are afraid to move and take action.



Im going to take this thing, im tired of sitting still and letting ideas stop at words. Im going to take what was started by Dennis, refined buy Paul along with some ideas from wisdom and others on here. I will PM some of you who said that you would be willing to help. If your minds have changed thats ok im still going to produce something and present it to PADFA to possibly get something going with this intime for Pa Sportsman Show.



Sorry if i have stepped on anyones toes in doing so ( self appointing myself i guess ) But im just tired of talk and am ready for some action. We must act on this or we really have nothing to complain about. IF it does'nt work well we gave er a hell of a try. "we miss 100% of the shots we never take"



If i dont PM you and would like to help send me a PM or email memlowans@thecirclej-ranch.com



Heres to moving forward
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Old Dec 6th 2010, 12:49 PM   #45
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
Matthew, I am ready to help in anyway I can, you know that. One thing to keep in mind is how can we serve both the breeder and the preserve owner, meaning how can we increase buying from the breeders within our own state. I think we might want to try this in PA first and work out some kinks that I am sure will arise. The hunters will see the preserve but not the breeders who donate so how will they benifit (hopefully more deer purchased) but as you know, the price of deer has not been very good due to the amout of deer available. Maybe there is a way to split the cost of some bucks with the preserves 50/50 or whatever is agreeable. If a preserve sells a buck for $8,000, then the breeder gets $4,000, just a thought (this is for future sales, not the giveaway). I believe the preserve that offers their place and services for free should be reconginzed as well as the breeder who donates the animal but how will that help the breeder to the hunter?
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