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Old Dec 6th 2010, 01:23 PM   #46
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  Apr 2009
  Defiance, MO

Cervid: Whitetails
Henry I think the main idea is to attract more people into our world. The more hunters we attract the more we sell to the preserves. If the supply is higher than the demand you only have two options. One lower the supply or two increase the the demand. Besides I think there are plenty of does that breeders can't get rid of.
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Old Dec 6th 2010, 01:30 PM   #47
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
Paul, you are correct in that area and many bucks as well but my concern is the hunters will only know the name of the preserve and not the breeder, not that they need to know the breeder but given the prices of bucks this past 18 months, I think the breeder should get some recognition and maybe even have more deer purchased. I understand the overall goal is to increase consumption by getting more hunters out to the preserve and I am all for that, believe me but I wonder if that alone will be enough to get prices back where they were or at least better. Breeders have been forced to sell so much lower then before because other breeders got scared and sold much cheaper, now there are too many lowering their deer prices just to move deer. I just want us all to benifit and grow this business and I understand it needs to start at the preserves. Like I said, I will do whatever I can to help because I love this business. I am willing to go to the meeting with Matthew when we get it all together. Matthew, call me and lets discuss or anyone can call me, my number is on here
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Old Dec 6th 2010, 01:40 PM   #48
 
  Jul 2010
  Waynesboro, Pa 17268
Henry and paul i sent a pm to you guys. but you didnt get it the first time because i forgot the spaces,LOL but you should have it now. Henry if tomorrow is ok i will give you a call.
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Old Dec 6th 2010, 02:41 PM   #49
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
Matthew thats fine but I did not get a PM
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Old Dec 6th 2010, 02:59 PM   #50
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
If we have enough donations and preserves who will support this venture for a giveaway (several) there is a lot of opportunity to draw families, individules and even wives into this arena we call hunting. I have a lot of ideas in this area but so far I believe Andy Foor is the only preserve to step forward. We need someone who knows the preserve owners to contact them.
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Old Dec 6th 2010, 04:09 PM   #51
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Henry,

I know you feel the deer breeders need more recognition but that would be within the industry itself....not the end market (the Hunters). Like Wisdom said, we (the deer breeders) need to stay in the back field......our reword will be higher prices due to a higher demand for our deer. We need to focus on getting th hunting population to except the Hunting ranches and get them on board with it being another method of hunting which it is.
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Old Dec 7th 2010, 02:09 AM   #52
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  Apr 2009
  cental Pennsylvania

Cervid: taxidermy
Are we going to get setup where someone can recieve financial donations to go toward advertiseing and other needs? I do not have a preserve or many deer to donate at the time, but i could donate some money toward the cause at the time, and i am sure other could.
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Old Dec 7th 2010, 06:20 AM   #53
 
  Jul 2010
  Waynesboro, Pa 17268
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Originally Posted by Wisdom
Henry

Think for a minute which sounds better “hunting preserve” or hunting ranch”. When you think of each of them indivually what do you think of.

Hunting preserve one might think of canned hunts, high fence, barn yard hunt. Now hunting ranch on the other hand reminds one of the western wide open spaces. Most hunting ranch’s prefer to be called hunting ranch’s and not preserves.

I also know you book the hunts the ranches will step up to the plate. We must remember only a small percentage of deer farmers belong to this forum. Heck most Amish and Mennonites do not have computers.


Wisdom im with ya, Ranch sounds good. But if we hide the fact that we are behind high fence how are we promoting it? This concept is to educate the public on the possibilities and the positives of hunting behind high fence. If we do not do such we are no better than the shows on tv that hunt them and make it look like they got it on the back 40. Ranch it is i like it. But our end goal is to get people to hunt these astablishments.
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Old Dec 7th 2010, 03:40 PM   #54
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
I am ready.....Mathew I got your email.....look forward to working with you on this....wisdom.......your heart is definitly in the right place.......you are big enough that you could probabbly just worry about yourself now and continue to succeed but you do want to see others succeed as well and that says a lot of your character.........thanks!!
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Old Dec 9th 2010, 05:50 AM   #55
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
Matthew, I have sent you a few emails this morning, sorry for sending more then 1 but everytime I sent one I thought of something more. We should get together soon.
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Old Dec 9th 2010, 05:52 AM   #56
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
For this to work we need buck donations and doe. It would be nice to give away some buck hunts and then ask the hunter if he has a wife or son/daughter that hunts as well and he could in turn bring them along to harvest a deer with their dad, how cool is that. I was so proud when my daughter took her first doe at a hunting ranch as was she and in fact she still talks about it yet today. The happier we can make the hunters the more they will want to return again and again and again.
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Old Dec 20th 2010, 02:46 PM   #57
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
Canned Hunt? or Fair Chase? At A.S.I.A. we agree that if the outcome of the hunt is pre-determined it's not hunting. If your interested, try searching for Discussion paper on enclosed private game reserves.Adding " Dongadale" may help. These issues are shared globaly. Down here we are trying to raise the acceptability of enclosures by highlighting the benefits to bio-diversity as well as rural & regional development they provide. There is little doubt that a well managed game reserve is the highest value lowest impact legal land use.
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Old Dec 21st 2010, 04:44 AM   #58
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

Cervid: Deer Farming
Dr. Kroll always likes to highlight the fact that we are preserving the land - not developing it. He has some satellite images of Texas at night that show the lights - the difference in even 10 years is noticeable. Instead of chopping up large parcels, we are conserving them, or even adding to them. Fences are more about protecting our herd and managing it, keeping out inferior stock.



Seems like predicting the outcome of a hunt is difficult - who knows how good a shot the hunter is or if he will see a deer he wants??? We always say you will have opportunities, but the final decision is up to the hunter and their skill.
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Old Feb 22nd 2011, 05:08 PM   #59
 
  Sep 2009
  Clermont FL
My Advice quit bottle feeding Bucks and showing them Tame! Then we need to change the image of high fence hunting. By promoting Hunting behind a fence. i defend this industry as preserving Monster Genetics just like preserving extinct animals.
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Old Feb 23rd 2011, 02:07 AM   #60
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
"Monster" not areal good choice of words.May as well admit O.v frankienstienus.Sharkey
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