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Old Dec 2nd 2013, 06:52 PM   #76
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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I agree 100% but we also have grown leaps and bounds in the last few years. I have seen many,many requests in the past few years for stocker bucks later in the hunting season and they cant be found.* Thats a good thing. The demand is there and getting better.** Yes i agree many more need to know the truth on high fence but it also shows that many are learning,,Hence no stockers to be found.*


*Like i said in another post. I have read many,many upset hunters that are pi$$ed off because of no deer.little deer and to many hunters where they hunt.* Also hunting is getting to be a rich mans sport when it comes to getting good land to hunt on.


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Look at what your states DNR and DEC is doing,saying about high fence and you will see your biggest hill to climb.* Our state DEC is very open at bad mouthing high fence because we are selling out of hunts and they are losing money on tag sales.* If you read on another post on what Tim did to work with*Ok DNR in that state that now the DNR works with the high fence industry instead of against them in that state. Its a work in progess to get the good words out for sure but you have to deal with the bigger threat.
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Old Dec 3rd 2013, 05:34 AM   #77
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
Unity, its simple . . .
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Old Dec 17th 2013, 05:13 AM   #78
 
  May 2011
  Evansville, Indiana


We really need to eliminate this massive CWD scare that everyone has too. Try to show them that it isnt as bad as what outsiders are trying to make it.
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Old Dec 17th 2013, 06:08 AM   #79
 
  Apr 2009
  Poplar Bluff, Missouri


I totally agree with what Sam said.* He hit the nail on the head.*


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Its time we start watching how we talk about our hunting operations.* We need to stay away from words that will give the anti a place to blast us. Our clients coming out of Texas don't think once about hunting in a high fence because that has been part of their hunting heritage for so long down there. Half of Texas is fenced and they are used to it


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One thing I think we*HAVE to do is leave the taboo subject of stocking bucks off breeding farms out of our promotion.* We stock*a lot of*bucks when they are just buttons and our hunters LOVE that they are hard to hunt on our Fair Chase*800+ acre*hunting ranch. **
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Old Dec 17th 2013, 10:04 AM   #80
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I totally agree with what Sam said.* He hit the nail on the head.*


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Its time we start watching how we talk about our hunting operations.* We need to stay away from words that will give the anti a place to blast us. Our clients coming out of Texas don't think once about hunting in a high fence because that has been part of their hunting heritage for so long down there. Half of Texas is fenced and they are used to it


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One thing I think we*HAVE to do is leave the taboo subject of stocking bucks off breeding farms out of our promotion.* We stock*a lot of*bucks when they are just buttons and our hunters LOVE that they are hard to hunt on our Fair Chase*800+ acre*hunting ranch. **




Very tough to do even though i agree to a point. Our whole industry is run by the fact that we stock our bucks. Thats what fuels our whole engine. *When the word..Ranch..comes into play in some minds a million acres would still not be fair chase. A fence is a fence in those eyes.


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I think we have gained ground in the last couple years when it comes to ranch hunting..As is proven by the fight against us by our own states dec and dnr and groups like qdma. We are gaining and they are losing. *Our biggest fight is cwd, When the light finally comes on and the people that really dont know the truth on cwd, hears the truth on cwd we will gain even more ground. I believe that is coming. *Its just been shown in science that cwd prion has been put into crows, digested *by that crow and the prions have been found in that crows waste and then passed on with positive results. That just shows that the case at the Flees ranch could have been flown into the place from the cwd positive animals outside the ranch. *We just need to make sure the PUBLIC sees the true facts and science of cwd.


*If anyone reads the crap on the qdma website you will now see that even they dont talk about the cwd on the Flees farm as the problem...They are turned inside out that there could be 350 animals on 370 acres. Thats how brain washed some people are...No way a deer can live on an acre of land!! lol*
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 08:03 AM   #81
 
  Jan 2014
  Pipe Creek ,Texas


<suplots of people have hunted on my ranch and have loved it more challenging than free range and lots harder to hunt no one has not had a great time and i,am on my 9th year here at T&S no complaints yet well except when they wound one and do not get there meat* ouch but those are the rules and i do not chrarge and arm and a leg come on people be reasonable you can not make all your money back on one deer </sup
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Old Jan 13th 2014, 07:49 PM   #82
 
  Aug 2009
  Everett, PA
Ronda you said unity is simlpe, may I ask how we achieve it. The church also needs to hear your solution to an age old problem
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Old Jan 14th 2014, 07:36 AM   #83
 
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
I certainly do not have the answers, but only my thoughts .... It takes a very long time to change public opinion. My hope is that the facts will unite people toward a common goal. Most people are followers. Sometimes more drastic measures are needed such a change in leadership.


First people need to get outside their box and remember to treat their neighbor as they would themselves. Second, if you don't like what you see work to make a change.


Unfortunately, even in churches, decisions are made behind closed doors with no voice from the congregation. It is your decision to belong to the church that best suites your beliefs.
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Old Jan 14th 2014, 11:51 AM   #84
 
  Aug 2009
  Everett, PA


AMEN I liked your answer. Well said
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 03:25 PM   #85
 
  Aug 2012
  Waynesville, Ohio
We don't have a whole lot to donate at this time but with planning we could take vacation days and give our time to help run things! I'm very passionate about this cause and will do anything I can to help!!!
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 04:17 PM   #86
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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We don't have a whole lot to donate at this time but with planning we could take vacation days and give our time to help run things! I'm very passionate about this cause and will do anything I can to help!!!




As you need to. Young guys like yourself will be the future of this thing. There are many that could walk away and say and prove that they made a great living on deer. There is no reason that you 20 and 30 year old guys cant do the same for years to come. I really think you young guys will do even better in the future. The states are screwing up the herds so bad in most states that and their cwd excuse has proven not to have panned out for them as our removal so i believe the skys the limit for you young guys and it will be what you all make of it!
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 04:55 PM   #87
 
  Aug 2012
  Waynesville, Ohio
Mike,

I'm not sure where this journey will take myself and my young family, I do know that It's always risky as I've learned a very painful lesson recently!!! I also know that we are in this for the long haul and events and ideas to promote our industry will always stay a priority! I'm all in for helping our industry!
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Old Feb 13th 2014, 06:12 PM   #88
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We need more people hunting!!! Take kids out hunting get them away from the video games and tv! If there is nobody hunting at hunting ranches kiss the deer farming industry good bye... We are a new hunting ranch and we are trying to get hunters booked and its tough... But were trying... We are even giving away a free 200" whitetail hunt fall of 2015 yes I said FREE!!! That's how were trying to draw hunters attention in to hunt at our ranch...
 
Old Feb 14th 2014, 04:34 AM   #89
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  Oct 2009
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Mike,

I'm not sure where this journey will take myself and my young family, I do know that It's always risky as I've learned a very painful lesson recently!!! I also know that we are in this for the long haul and events and ideas to promote our industry will always stay a priority! I'm all in for helping our industry!




That's good to hear and i know for a fact that there are many out there just like you and us that have not been here long. This is the problem i see over and over and after talking to many, many agree.


*It seems like every year when something comes up to do or help in the deer business its always the same old names you see voted or put into those spots. When you have all these people that want to help do something rather its nadefa,aca or whatever its always the same people that are already helping this great industry.


*I mean nothing to the fact that the folks that are doing the jobs are great, smart people but when these new names come up on ballots and such and you see them passed over for someone that already wears a hat or two in this industry it puts a bad taste in some mouths and then we lose them from ever helping again.


Be it time or money!!!
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Old Feb 14th 2014, 07:27 AM   #90
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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Fresh ideas and fresh perspectives are always good. We have been at this for a long time and know the "good old days" and today. Things are cyclical. The emphasis on growing the biggest buck was the trend but now that has changed. The breeding industry has dominated but that also is changing. It is all about the hunting. The breeding farms are the factories and the hunting preserves are the showroom. DNa and pedigrees become less and less important.


Since we started hunting back in the late 1990's until now, the high fence concept has become more and more accepted. Raising deer should be no different than raising pheasants for example. It seems to be getting there, but it is slow. Certainly some states are better at it than others given their hunting history. We agree that state DNR's are doing a very poor job of managing the wild herd which will only help us.
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