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Old Jul 2nd 2013, 04:44 PM   #16
  Jul 2009
Todd, The lawsuit from last year you are familiar with was absolutely a waste of good money but that was because of people in charge of the suit. If not for the suit filed years ago the preserve industry in Indiana would be non existent and deer farms would not be far behind. The next few months will determine the future of the entire industry.
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Old Sep 10th 2013, 08:41 PM   #17
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  Jan 2010

Cervid: Trace Country Whitetails
Guy's can we keep this going ? I have been talking to some people from O.K. and it is working good for them
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 04:35 AM   #18
  Jul 2009
The main problem with your line of thinking here resides in the differences between the agencies in different states.

In OK for instance: Commission approved the Wildlife Department's Fiscal Year 2014 budget of about $61 million

In MN for instance: Biennial budget of $957.9 million for the MDNR in 2012-2013

The budgets in these two states are very different as is size and breadth of the state agencies. Any license fees collected from pen raised deer would have to be an order of magnitude larger to have the same effect in MN as it does in OK. I believe this will be the problem for most of the northern states,
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 05:02 AM   #19
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota
fars, Dr. Hartman told me the Minnesota DNR budget was $700 million a year, with a staff of 2000. The Board of Health has a staff of 40, with a budget of $5 million.
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 07:38 AM   #20
  Sep 2012
  Clear Lake, Iowa
Originally Posted by IndependenceRanch
As much as everything in this world revolves around money I actually don't think money or the idea of us being their competition is really why they hate us.

I think it actually boils down to the perception that whitetails are a "wildlife" animal and as such shouldn't be raised behind fence.

Wildlife officials hate any animal being raised behind fence unless it is traditional livestock. There have been cases where breeders have been able to get endangered (or mostly endangered) species to reproduce. I have actually read where wildlife officials have said they feel it would have been better for the species to have gone extinct rather than been bred in a pen. They seem to feel the act of putting up a fence and enclosing a "wild" animal is similar to say, raping a virgin. Like breeders somehow steal the life away from the animals.

I don't think there is a way of changing that sort of mind set. Like the old saying goes.... You can't fix stupid.

Please see the below link which shows that Iowa producers have been raising whitetails behind fence since the 1800s. Escaped captive whitetail help repopulate Iowa's wild herd.;tabid=1214
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 03:47 PM   #21
  Nov 2012
  Havre, Montana
Originally Posted by kurthumphrey
Clay I think your on to something about the surcharge on both ends as farmers and preserve owners. However, I think the money would be better put toward promotion or the industry and a political lobbying campaign. We need a plan and a way to fund it. We have to be proactive.we have to Promote our industry and educate the public. Just my two cents

Kurt after being involved in our industry politics for 18+ years I believe we are wasting time trying to change the the minds of the DNRs.You could stop at any local bar at closing time and get the same results.They believe we are commercializing public owned wildlife period.In Montana the I-143 issue was run by 5-10 people that were able to sway the uninformed public.Our enemies operate by two plans,elimination by regulation and praying on the uninformed public.I agree we must educate the public and that is why people in our industry like Keith Warren are important.He is always willing to put it all on the line to promote and educate but we must do our part to keep him going.Allen Warren just quit promoting our industry due to all the heat he had to take.We must not lose another!

Kim Kafka/President NAEBA
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 04:15 PM   #22
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

Cervid: Deer Farming
It is important for people to understand that what we are doing does not affect their hunting one bit. We are not taking deer out of the wild. The wild herd is the same as it ever was. Yes, we may fence our property, but we might fence it anyway to keep people out. What we do has zero affect on the hunting public! They are free to hunt as they always have. So if what we do has zero affect, why should it bother them. Granted some may not like what we do, but I'll bet there are other businesses and industries they don't like as well, maybe the liquor store or the tobacco shop.

DNR doesn't like to think anyone knows more about deer than they do and they hate the competition.

Each week in our TV show we try to portray what we do and why we do it in an honest fashion. We have received almost no negative feedback in nearly 3 years on the air now. We are on the same station as the Warren brothers. We are doing this show entirely on our own and hopefully educating some of the public.
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 05:05 PM   #23
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  May 2009
  Chillicothe, Missouri
I think OUR Industry has Failed BADLY when it comes to Educating the Public!

While Shows like Wild Rivers and Kieth Warrens .............Are a GREAT Start..........................OUR Industry needs MORE!!

This is something that should have been addressed back when the economy was good and OUR Industry WAS rolling along!

I for one and have mentioned it to others that OUR Industry should have a program similar to The Cattle Mans Association's ........"Check Off Program" Funded by ALL that Breeders and Hunting Ranches!

We have to be like ANY Business and Preach to the Choir the BENEFITS OUR Industry Brings to State and Local Economies and The FAMILY Aspects of Deer Farming!
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 05:20 PM   #24
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

Cervid: Deer Farming
TV time isn't cheap and production costs add a lot to any program. If you know what Keith charged to be on his show you have some idea. Also, time slots on the channels vary a lot depending on time and day and number of airings per week. Pursuit isn't on most of the cable stations, only Directv and Dish. More households means more cost.
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 05:54 PM   #25
  Jul 2009
Time for educating has passed in most states for now. Its time to go on offense and preserve the industry or shut down.
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 06:23 PM   #26
  Apr 2009
  north, Hopkins Co., Tx.
'Gettin' in this thread late but I agree w/ just about everything said, especially by Wild Rivers. I've had that discussion from the first day my fence went up in 2000. The main argument used against me was I was removing 300 acres of public hunting. Don't argue with a fool or 100 of them.
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 06:34 PM   #27
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
Originally Posted by Hotrod
Time for educating has passed in most states for now. Its time to go on offense and preserve the industry or shut down.

Yup i believe its lawsuit time now. If they want to use cwd as a scapegoat to shut us down then maybe its time to make them start showing just what it is that cwd is doing. Just like the Iowa case..First they say we shut you down and killed you animals because of cwd and now that its in court and the judge has heard from the experts Iowa now says...cwd is not a big deal.. One state at a time does just that with them now shutting borders because of cwd and who knows. The states are watching and im sure none of them want to be involved in a lawsuit either.
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Old Sep 11th 2013, 06:52 PM   #28
  Jul 2013
  Long Lane, Missouri
I'm getting in late also, However, This much I know. We had our 3rd of 4 meetings with Legislation Yesterday and this is working here in Missouri and y'all are helping. He have sent Invites to almost all of our State Representatives and Senators to Our Missouri Whitetails Facebook page and the information we are getting out is working. If you want someone to see something then you have to show them, If you want someone to learn something then you need to teach them. We must be proactive not reactive, Y'all have been great help to us here and we all are there for you. This is how we can fight this onslaught, TOGETHER! If we need Lawyers then we get Lawyers...Let me say this, Yesterday the Conservation Department was pressed by Legislation on why so few Deer have been tested n the CWD containment zone? The answer was "they are having a hard time getting land owners to cooperate with the killing and testing of the deer". The Public Deer! Yet they feel that it is within their authority to force us to cooperate in whatever they see fit with our privately owned livestock!....Lmao...There is many ways we all can organize and become quite large, we are working on that....Thank you all for the support and help.....troy
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Old Sep 12th 2013, 03:06 AM   #29
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

Cervid: Deer Farming
Scrape line, how can you be removing land from the public it wasn't public land to begin with? If you own property, fenced or not, it is not public hunting land. Our family owns nearly 700 acres that is not fenced but it is posted. We don't pay taxes on that property, plant food plots, improve the trail system etc. for the public. We called the sheriff once this summer after folks on four wheelers repeatedly were spotted on the land. They drove right past the no trespassing signs. Luckily we knew where they came from and the sheriff paid them a visit.
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