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Old Jul 16th 2014, 03:52 AM   #1
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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I cant believe some of the crap you can read on other sites. This guy must really be a winner. Good luck Jeff. You are keeping up the good fight with some brain dead folks i believe!


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font-style:italicHow many of the elk brought to MO from KY were tested for CWD? (I'll give you a hint: it was less than 1.) Hmmm...I thought the MDC was the crème de la creme in preventing CWD...




With all due respect I suggest you do your homework as well......

http://mdc.mo.gov/discover-nature/wi...storation-plan



Read the section entitled


"Could reintroduced elk transmit diseases to domestic livestock and native wildlife?"


quote.....Since 2000, there has been significant progress made in our understanding of chronic wasting disease (CWD), including a live-animal test for elk.*Our extensive animal health protocols include testing all elk for chronic wasting disease.

Elk relocated into Missouri for the purposes of the elk restoration originate from a CWD-free state and from herds with a history of health surveillance and no evidence of health issues.*Imported elk are tested for CWD, brucellosis, blue tongue, anaplasmosis, epizootic hemorrhagic disease, vesicular stomatitis, Johne's disease and bovine tuberculosis prior to shipment to Missouri.


Every single one - not less than one!!!!!!


Sounds to me as though they are crème de la creme or am I missing something?
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Old Jul 16th 2014, 05:15 AM   #2
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota
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;background-color:transparentIn 1996 the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation pledged over $1.4 million to the state of Kentucky’s elk restoration project. On December 18, 1997, seven elk that had been captured in Western Kansas were released at the Cyprus Amax Wildlife Management Area in Eastern Kentucky. This was the first of a series of* (205,35,44)releases that continued thru the winter of 2002. The plan originally contemplated releasing 1,800 elk at a rate of 200 per year for 9 years across a 15 county restoration zone. (205,35,44)*The translocations were discontinued in 2002, with just over 1,500 elk having been released at 8 different sites,*500 in the final 12 months of the releases. Since 1997, the Foundation has increased it’s funding of the project to $2,000,000.

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Why is the live test ok for them and not us? *Seems like double-standards again!


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This the history of elk in Kentucky. *They were first reintroduced in 1997.
They were taken from this herd to Missouri, hardly 10 years later. *
The Red Deer farm in Minnesota, that the outdoor writers are complaining about, was a closed herd for over 12 years before they came down with one positive. *They say that the disease laid there for all those years in the Red Deer farm before surfacing. *That even 10 years is not enough to become a certified herd. *Calling our certification program bogus. *Yet they hauled elk from Kentucky to Missouri with less years of confinement and monitoring. *They also brought in another 1500 elk from unnamed other western states up to 2002. *Are they testing these elk in Kentucky for CWD at 100%? *Are they looking for dead elk in the woods to see what they died from? *Since these elk came from western states that we know are endemic zones, with less than 10 years of history, how can Missouri brag these elk came from a herd that had no CWD?
Keep these dates in your file. *They surely will be needed in the future when it comes to a debate over your legislation.
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(51,51,51)As we recognize this 10-year anniversary, "Kentucky Afield" puts the elk restoration effort into perspective. We are joined by biologists, conservation partners and field personnel to track the herd growth from seven elk released into the wild in 1997 to 6,500 animals just nine years later.




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Old Jul 16th 2014, 08:26 AM   #3
 
  Jan 2014
  Pipe Creek ,Texas


more poppycock politics wish people would research before they open there mouth T&S
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Old Jul 17th 2014, 02:59 AM   #4
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA


Mike, I just keep hoping someone reading the exchanges will see through the nonsense. The struggle you MO guys have is that people apparently see the MDC as infallible, and blindly trust everything they say.
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Old Jul 17th 2014, 03:32 AM   #5
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Mike, I just keep hoping someone reading the exchanges will see through the nonsense. The struggle you MO guys have is that people apparently see the MDC as infallible, and blindly trust everything they say.




Yes sir and keep up the good fight. You are getting a couple of them to at least see the double standards. When the bright one posted the post i quoted above saying that the Elk were good to go because they were..Tested.. threw the power in your hands and your perfect response got them all thinking and as i see shut the whole thread down by no more responses. They know its the truth about the whole thing they are just using the DNR as their scapegoat to see high fence gone. When that one QDMA member came on and said deer were indeed livestock when behind wire...made the foxes leave the coop!
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Old Jul 17th 2014, 07:56 AM   #6
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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Do you really beLieve those elk were tested for CWD? I don't!
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Old Jul 17th 2014, 05:27 PM   #7
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA


No, I don't believe it for a second. However, it doesn't really matter in that discussion since*a lot of those*guys believe every single thing that comes from the MDC. What matters is that he walked right into the trap- arguing about how the MDC is all about the safety and health of the wild herds, yet*made my point for me that they are nothing but hypocrites in the CWD issue. Sometimes it's too easy! *
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Old Jul 17th 2014, 05:57 PM   #8
 
  Jan 2012
  Manchester, IA
I have been keeping up with the threads you've been posting on good job Jeff. Keep up the good work.


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Old Jul 17th 2014, 06:52 PM   #9
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


They brag about the testing these elk went through, but in reality, they would not qualify for entry, under our program.


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Old Jul 18th 2014, 11:57 AM   #10
 
  Jul 2012
  Russellville, KY
I was told by a person that use to guide elk hunts in Kentucky that he has seen some elk walking in circles. He suspected cwd. It would not surprise me that some of these elk were brought into Kentucky from cwd states. Also our state (Ky)is closed to bringing deer in from cwd states.
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Old Jul 18th 2014, 05:25 PM   #11
 
  Feb 2011
  Pierre SD


Bottom line is these people don't care if its in a fence or not, they just know if it is, it would cost* them some money to hunt it so they are against it. These bottom feeder liberal idiots are for anything that's free to them. They are envious of the people who do pay to hunt quality high fence and no fence operations and do kill big bucks while they sit and hunt on the public crap that doesn't support much of anything, let alone quality deer. If we all opened these preserves for part of the public to be able to apply for a free hunt, they'd all apply and be running each other over trying to get thru the gate. Custer State Park in South Dakota is a prime example of what people really want, it has*had as high as 15,116 applicants for 101 bull tags in 2007. I can Guarantee you every Wildlife Federation and QDMA member who is*a SD resident and big game hunter applies for this license.*This park is high fenced and borders Wind Cave national park which is suppose to have one of the highest concentrations of CWD positive elk in the country. These same people*even supported the Game Fish & Parks taking the fence down from Wind Cave*and use helicopters to chase KNOWN CWD elk*into the rest of the Black Hills because they know if there is a higher number of elk, there will be more tags and that will give them a better chance at drawing a license and getting a FREE HUNT IN THE BLACK HILLS NATIONAL FOREST. The only thing different from this and private preserves is it's free other then the license cost. If they can't play*with the private landowners*for free they don't want anybody else too, period. The MO DNR sees their deer numbers crash along with most every other state and they want to get rid of the competition, plain and simple. If only people could understand that if you have more people hunting on private preserves, it would be less on the rest of the public and private ground they hunt. Getting rid of preserves will only increase the cost of leases*and put more hunting pressure on the land. The*way these DNR Departments*keep failing at managing the deer numbers, preserves will be*about*the only place that will have quality bucks and they know it.*These Wildlife Federation*liberals bitch about pheasant preserves and released pheasants because the so called "rich out staters"* pay to hunt them but*yet they will drive circles around these same preserves trying to shoot a released rooster in the ditch.*Typical liberals, they want everyone else to do all the work and put in the money so they can benefit off it for no cost to themselves.
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Old Sep 13th 2014, 05:45 AM   #12
 
  Sep 2011
  Cape Girardeau, MO
I can't get the utube video. I want to see it. This has been my point all along is the elk they brought in. They call them livestock yet not deer. I had an argument with the so called CWD expert in the MDC and he couldn't keep up with me on the elk. I wish I would have had that info. Those areas are close to us. I want to know what they do when they find a dead elk. I need to put out news article in those towns in those counties and have them be watching for dead elk. I need that utube video and any other info.
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Old Sep 13th 2014, 11:56 AM   #13
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


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