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Old Jun 12th 2014, 03:33 PM   #16
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  Jan 2010
  Kentucky

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The fireball doe she is out of is VORTEXES MOTHER Y-62 and she is RDM turbo's full sister
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Old Jun 12th 2014, 03:36 PM   #17
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  Utica, PA Venango Co.


By "Produce" I am talking about the quality of the traits that they pass on. The ones that make these does your best/favorite.
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Old Jun 12th 2014, 03:51 PM   #18
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Thanks Clay,

I thought you might have Y-62 in Ky. My antennas were getting up in the air. You have a great foundation doe there.

Wayne,

Sorry,I miss spoke. Sometimes my gums get to flapping.
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Old Jun 12th 2014, 06:37 PM   #19
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  Sep 2009
  Utica, PA Venango Co.


Bell,


* * *Banjo was out of a Bucky daughter. How old was Banjo in the pic that is on you web page? Do or did you own this Bucky daughter? What can you tell me about her?


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Thanks,
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Old Jun 12th 2014, 08:42 PM   #20
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
The Banjo pedigree was discussed on another old thread. I don't recall which one. I wish that I owned any of the deer in Banjo's background. I own some very closely related that are from the farm in Mo where the majority of the deer in his pedigree came from. Butch Caylor in Iowa made the cross that actually put Banjo on the ground on his farm in Iowa. His mom is a Flees Bucky daughter on a Little Thunder(Joni Beechy Jamesport, Mo) doe. Little Thunder was a brother to Thunderhead purchased by Joni Beechy from Eddie Ray. The bottom side would be a Blazer doe. I don't know her bottom side. She could have been bred up at Joni's or come from Eddie's as well. Blazer was purchased by Joni I believe as well but may have died before he could breed there. Sorry can't recall that detail. Banshee was also purchased and was there for a time and could be in the anchor portion of the Blazer doe. Butch purchased a buck from Joni named Thundercloud. He was a Patrick bred buck. It is from a buck fawn sired by Thundercloud that Banjo was sired per his breeder Butch Caylor. Banjo is at least a 3/4 Patrick offspring it appears. Coby and Jerri Lee bought out almost all of Butch's herd. I am certain they also have genetics closely related to Banjo. Michael Heiter, the guy who owns Texas Tea had purchased Banjo's dam from Scott and Gene but she died of capture myopathy shortly after she was unloaded at his farm in Pa. I only have three DNA'd offspring from Banjo two bucks and a doe. Sorry our website is shameful it is in dire need of an update and makeover. Banjo is 2 years old in the pic on our site.


Since it's Friday the 13th and a full moon a combination that won't happen again for 50 years. I want to say it ticks me off that Banjo's DNA is divided between Wildlife Genetics and DNA solutions. I think this was done with intent with the purpose to mislead about the pedigree. It's ridiculous the Little Thunder doe's DNA isn't transferred to DNA solutions. All the AI fawns on the farm and in the pen in which Banjo was conceived were DNA'd per Butch and Banjo does NOT DNA to any of the AI buck fawns including any by White419. The sire of Banjo was one of the other buck fawns in the pen sired by Butch's brood buck Thundercloud. Banjo was conceived in the Bucky doe fawn when she was about 7 or 8 months old.

Hope this is helpful.
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Old Jun 12th 2014, 10:38 PM   #21
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
I would very much enjoy it if Fred Huebner got on here and told about his "Angela" & "Tina" doe. They are awesome doe. Fred's proclivity to be garrulous, gregarious, and loquacious when discussing their production was the inspiration for me naming one of my "Arty" sons "Toot My Horn". He is on this years antler page8.
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 01:57 AM   #22
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Thanks for all the replies so far. very informative.


I agree Bell, Hopefully we'll get some more replies from others, and keep this moving along.
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 05:12 AM   #23
 
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On a lighter note, the term "superdoe" and " powerdoe" are thrown around*often. We at Deer Ridge farm have what we think of is a special doe ( some may even say she is "super" or "Powerful"). The does name is April, she is the daughter of Jerome patrick / Dr J's full sister.**We refer to her as a multi-tasker, since prior to breeding season she is one of our "Pee does" ( we collect and sell doe urine). April does a very good job of coming up to the collection unit every afternoon to spend the night and give us her best ( urine) for sale to hunters. Once urine collection is completed then April is Ai'd to Maxbo Solidcore and this May gave us quintuplets. Yes, she gave us 5 fawns and they are all still living So, when looking and evaluating the ability of a doe to add value to a farm I think April more than does her share for Deer Ridge farm.
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 05:32 AM   #24
 
  Apr 2014
  Millerstown PA
Hey guys, good conversation... I love it !!! Bell I think Blazer did breed at Joni's because when we were there in 2005 it seemed every nice buck he had was a Blazer son if I'm not mistaken... That year we ended up buying Y27 who is Hurricane's sister.. ( Thunder daughter out of Blazers mom ).. We weren't gonna buy her as the guy had a few deer I liked the pedigree better at that time but the guy looked me in the eye and said that's the best doe..we ended up getting all three and a few years later a seen he knew what he was talking about... Her two Soaring Eagle daughters ended up being Sophie and Sonia... I am now breeding sons of those does to daughters of those does and I am very pleased with those two yr old sons.. Keep up the great discussion !!!
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 07:28 AM   #25
 
  Apr 2009
  Magnolia, Ohio


Pdaddy, for those who don't know who Dr. J is, he is the son of Dandy, who is the full brother of Avalanche. Their mother is Suzy, a*Blazer doe, their father was Thunder. Had to mention that after I read the comments from Amos. All Dandy did was sire Dingus who topped out here at 480", and went on to grow even bigger in LA last year.
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 07:51 AM   #26
 
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Stevel, I am glad you brought that to light, I am enclosing a picture of Dr. J ( Blazer grandson) and Blazer, notice any similiarities, ( I do). As you pointed out Dr. J's sire is Dandy ( Avalanches full brother( Thunder / Susy ( Blazer doe). Let's look also at Avalanche in relation to Dr J and Blazer. Even I can see the strong , powerful influence of Blazer with frame and balanced drops.
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 08:13 AM   #27
 
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  Iowa


Great Post !* Amos, we have a direct Blazer daughter and*the DNA paperwork that came with our doe was sent in by Joni Beechy. Our Blazer doe has only had one son for us and last year he was*a 196"* 2 year old. *We have a yearling doe fawn from our Blazer doe and our Hardcore/Reno buck Vinny. Bred her again to Vinny and this year we got a single doe fawn too. Don't know but maybe she is about done throwing eggs @ 11 years old. **
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 08:20 AM   #28
 
  Jul 2010
  Iowa


Forgot to mention, our Blazer doe was out of a Northern Gold doe. We don't know anything about Northern Gold, anybody have pics*or info?
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 08:45 AM   #29
 
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Mike, The buck in my avatar is out of a Tonto son that goes back to Avalanche on a Northern Gold*doe. He was*just over 200 as a yearling and was*30 inches outside.*He was over 300 at 2 and over 30 wide outside. Here is him as a yearling.*I have about 70 good young does that all go back to the Patrick and avalanche line.*The Patrick and Avalanche line*consistently produces great frames and inches.*
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Old Jun 13th 2014, 09:30 AM   #30
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
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Northern Gold was a half bro to Rage the sire of Eclipse. He was also a son of Lester. There were two Buckwheat sons at Dennis' place purchased from Todd Carrol. I think Chester the sire of Lester was a son of the heavier mass non typical one. I have semen in the tank from Northern Gold. I believe his largest score was around 242". Dennis Salsgiver in Michigan has this set of his horns. A Northern Gold daughter purchased at the first Top 30 sale was the mother of my wide GT buck.

Hope this is helpful.

I had to edit my info at the beginning of this post. I was hurriedly posting between stops in my UPS truck. Rage and Northern Gold were half brothers. Buckwheat was found in a cornfield in northern Indiana and was raised by Todd Carrol.
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