Deer Farmer

Go Back   Deer Farmer > Deer Farming Forum > Deer Breeding

Deer Breeding Deer Breeding and Genetics Forum - breeding (natural and AI), genetics, animal husbandry, bottle raising fawns and calves, weaning, care of pregnant females, etc.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes

Old Jun 13th 2014, 09:43 AM   #31
 Antlershed's Avatar
 
  Apr 2009
  cental Pennsylvania

Cervid: taxidermy
I love reading this thread. Sounds like I need some patrick does! They seem to do well for most. Padaddy, I really like your post.. I like how you looked at it in another light. Sure we all have good producers, or know of good ones that others have. I like how you said how valuable your doe as far as a day to day basis. We can have a doe that produces a 250" two year old every year, but yet she is a bad mother, or she pulls hair and fights with her pen mates. Then we can have our "special" deer. The ones that are tame as puppies and love visitors. I have a doe named nevaeh, she is a blessing to my farm. She produces two nice fawns, mothers them well, as well as mothering other fawns, and she is the star of my farm. I call her my little Nelson whitetails mascot. She steals attention from the herd when visitors come, most non deer farming visitors that come are more excited about feeding nev her nilla wafers than looking at a 200" buck. Time will tell how nevaeh's bucks look. She is "supposed" to produce well for me, she comes from some great stock. But even if her sons dissapoint me, she will stay here, although I must say her first twin yearling bucks are looking good so far. She may not breed anymore if she is not producing what I want, but she'll always be spoiled and have a good home. The funny thing is, she is a doe that wouldn't bring 100$ in the breeder market, but I don't think I could sell her for less than a million, she's to special, lol. My doe blue 4 is my best inches producer, but nevaeh is my favorite, lol.
Antlershed is offline  
Old Jun 13th 2014, 02:57 PM   #32
 
  Jul 2010
  Iowa


Thanks for the info sdbigbucks and Bell.


* It was very helpful.
IowaMike is offline  
Old Jun 13th 2014, 03:43 PM   #33
 Bell's Avatar
 
  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
After some more thinking today TNT the sire of Laurie's RPM, Rage, and Northern Gold were all brothers and not half brothers. They were all sons of Lester, out of Chester, out of the Buckwheat son mentioned.
Bell is offline  
Old Jun 13th 2014, 04:17 PM   #34
 
  Feb 2011
  Pierre SD


Bell, Thanks for the info on Northern Gold, I couldn't find any info on*him and was always wondering about his pedigree.


Antlershed, I also have one doe that I will ever get rid of, she is the calmest sweetest doe I have. She's a Tonto daughter and*has given me all doe fawns so far and this spring she gave me a set of triplets, 2 does and a buck. I can't wait to see what he turns into. Her name is Old Red.
sdbigbucks is offline  
Old Jun 13th 2014, 04:37 PM   #35
 Bell's Avatar
 
  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Glad I could be helpful. Love the deer!
Bell is offline  
Old Oct 20th 2014, 06:28 PM   #36
 Bell's Avatar
 
  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
In my post #30 I originally said Northern Gold and Lester were brothers but I edited it. I read an updated article in the new issue of Deer Tracking magazine that says he does in fact DNA as Lester's bro. I looked on the NDR registry and they both DNA to Chester with no DNA # for their dams. I assume the markers on both their dams are a match? Chester was out of the heavy massed Buckwheat son per a credible source. If you want to see Northern Gold's horns go to Dennis Salsgiver's. He was his breeder buck and was where our Northern Gold doe came from including GT's mom#33. There is a fellow to talk with about this line whose has the memory of an elephant. He moved all these deer to about every new home they found. If the genuine history of this line is what I were after, I think I would start with this guy who by the way is also the person who submitted Indiana Prides horns. I would be careful believing anyone who says that Lester son in the photo has 16" tines. Ask these people who it was that brought the deer to them and you will find each of their origins.
Bell is offline  
Old Oct 20th 2014, 07:40 PM   #37
 Jack's Avatar
 
  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep & Alaskan dahl sheep


I've had a straw of Blazer in storage for*many years.* From the looks of these posts I should use it this year.* Thanks for the information great read.
Jack is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 05:34 AM   #38
 
  Jan 2011
  Houston, Texas


Hands down my favorite doe lines are out of Wilmer's Red 16 and Thiex's 33.* I'd love to have Jewell too.* Next would be 2 Flees does out of Buster I believe were sisters R32 and R33 - Mojo, Premier, Updraft, Sudden Explosion grand and great grand dam's.* Not all these girls are even still alive but if we are imagining and I could have 4 does proven to produce amazing daughters this is it.* I don't know about their daughter's offspring but Orange 2 Complex's dam or Omega's dam wow.*


*


1- CHW Red 16


2- Thiex 33


3- BR Jewell


4- Flees R33 - R32
TRUTH is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 06:22 AM   #39
 IndependenceRanch's Avatar
 
  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

Cervid: deer
TRUTH989401413898494



Hands down my favorite doe lines are out of Wilmer's Red 16 and Thiex's 33.* I'd love to have Jewell too.* Next would be 2 Flees does out of Buster I believe were sisters R32 and R33 - Mojo, Premier, Updraft, Sudden Explosion grand and great grand dam's.* Not all these girls are even still alive but if we are imagining and I could have 4 does proven to produce amazing daughters this is it.* I don't know about their daughter's offspring but Orange 2 Complex's dam or Omega's dam wow.*


*


1- CHW Red 16


2- Thiex 33


3- BR Jewell


4- Flees R33 - R32




Those are 4 super choices and a pretty good assessment of production.
IndependenceRanch is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 06:25 AM   #40
 IndependenceRanch's Avatar
 
  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

Cervid: deer


I had a long post explaining many of my ideas on breeding and decided to delete it. Instead I will just say that on my farm the best production has come over the years from the following.


*


* A doe known to me as yellow #21. She came from the Guyland VanAsten farm. She was a double bred Mr Awesome doe. My first 200" buck came out of her back in the mid 1990's. Few of you will even know who the buck Mr Awesome even was, but he was a big part of the foundation for Cougar Ridge and I suspect Sam James had a few girls from him as well years back.


*


* A doe known to me as Spice. This girl came from my cousin Dale Kremsreiter when I first started. Dale back in the day might well have had the best line of the deer in the entire country. Fred Huebner can attest to the production quality of that line as he purchased a little girl from Dale back when the Top 30 was made up of the true top 30 breeders in the country, before it became a popularity contest.


*


* I purchased a straw of Avalanche and crossed him into the two lines mentioned above. The girls out of that were powerhouse producers for me. 200" two year olds were the norm and this is way back when most farms were still trying to get 200" four year olds. I always said that Avalanche was a powerhouse producer that never got the respect he deserved. That can be said about many in the Patrick line.


*


* I also purchased two does from the Flees family. Both of which produced very well for me.


**One doe we called "F1" crossed with Bucky Jr gave me one of the best looking 6x6 typical frames I have ever seen. I don't think his net score was off his gross score by more than maybe an inch and his gross was over 200". That same doe bred to Maxbo gave me a buck called Max Thrust as well. Max Thrust totally out produced himself with EVERY son he sired.


**The other doe we called "F2" (also known as Y-0289) and she gave me IR Dolly who is the mother to Updraft and Downdraft. Few know that I actually made that same cross a second time and had a full sister and brother to Updraft and Downdraft. I have no idea what ever happened to the sister, but the brother died of pneumonia in July of the year he was a yearling. His rack was absolutely crushing the yearling rack of Updraft and when he died it was a bitter pill to swallow. Downdraft has a couple of yearling sons this fall but nothing else to see his production. Updraft's production has been incredible.


Buying those two does and the way I bred them gave me great success and I would have to say it was the key to how well I did in the breeder market.


*


As to coming powerhouse does that I suspect will show their worth to me goes...


* I until recently had a Hardcore doe from Cougar Ridge. Her oldest sons are yearlings this fall but showing some great potential and I suspect this girl will show her value to me.


*


* This year I added a doe to my program that goes back to Little Patches. The same Little Patches that is the mother to Lakota. I of course have nothing to prove my point about her, but I suspect she will be a great production doe for me as well.


*


There are many lines and specific does across the country that have done amazing things. If I had to narrow down the key elements of where my herd success came from I would say, Yellow #21, Spice, F1, F2, the purchase of Avalanche semen, Maxbo semen, Bucky Jr semen and Big Guy semen. I made money on various other purchases and crosses as well, but these key moves gave me serious production. I also have to give MUCH credit to my cousin for helping me get started. He was my best friend and is missed very much. I also met a lot of great people over the years that made the deer business a lot of fun for me. Some of them will be my friends long after the industry is shutdown for good.
IndependenceRanch is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 07:48 AM   #41
 Bell's Avatar
 
  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
This is one of my favorite topics ever on this forum. The information and history told by all is very engaging. It is evident that how we build our doe lines means everything to the look of our bucks for years down the road. Character traits can be bred that will surface and resurface for generations. Some we want long term others we may not. Once they are in the doe line they are not leaving. The thoughts in this thread are intriguing.
Bell is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 11:46 AM   #42
 Bruns Island Whitetails's Avatar
 
  Aug 2009
  Illinois


Roger,I have a couple does that go back to Gladiator, a Mr. Awesome son. Also Gladiator had 2 brothers named Chance and Cisco.* Eldon
Bruns Island Whitetails is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 02:30 PM   #43
 IndependenceRanch's Avatar
 
  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

Cervid: deer
Bruns Island Whitetails989531413920762



Roger,I have a couple does that go back to Gladiator, a Mr. Awesome son. Also Gladiator had 2 brothers named Chance and Cisco.* Eldon




Yep I am familiar with Chance and Cisco as well.
IndependenceRanch is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 04:34 PM   #44
 Whitetail Sanctuary's Avatar
 
  May 2009
  Chillicothe, Missouri
TRUTH989401413898494



Hands down my favorite doe lines are out of Wilmer's Red 16 and Thiex's 33.* I'd love to have Jewell too.* Next would be 2 Flees does out of Buster I believe were sisters R32 and R33 - Mojo, Premier, Updraft, Sudden Explosion grand and great grand dam's.* Not all these girls are even still alive but if we are imagining and I could have 4 does proven to produce amazing daughters this is it.* I don't know about their daughter's offspring but Orange 2 Complex's dam or Omega's dam wow.*


*


1- CHW Red 16


2- Thiex 33


3- BR Jewell


4- Flees R33 - R32




I have a Daughter out of Orange 2 Complex and Exbo's mom


*


She's Sundowner/O-2 and has a nice Yearling on the ground and a HUGE Bodied Buck fawn this year out of Lil Bear


I have a feeling anything with O-2 in the pedigree will be a HAMMER!
Whitetail Sanctuary is offline  
Old Oct 21st 2014, 08:33 PM   #45
 
  Jan 2011
  Houston, Texas
Whitetail Sanctuary989611413938051


I have a Daughter out of Orange 2 Complex and Exbo's mom


She's Sundowner/O-2 and has a nice Yearling on the ground and a HUGE Bodied Buck fawn this year out of Lil Bear

I have a feeling anything with O-2 in the pedigree will be a HAMMER!


I remember your does brother at rocky ridge. With his width i would have to breed back to complex for some powerhouse does or powerball and hope for a breeder buck. Lil bear is severly underrated buck. Your buck should blow up at 3 for you. I had bought a goldrush / vortex2 / O2 fawn to get O2 in my herd but she died before I picked her up womb brother at rocky ridge is huge I had all intentions of breeding her to female complex. If you let any daughters go out of her let me know.
TRUTH is offline  
Reply

  Deer Farmer > Deer Farming Forum > Deer Breeding

Tags
daughters, producing



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Discussions
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Looking for direct Bj or Sundance daughters Freedom Whitetails Cervid Community 6 Jun 11th 2015 05:41 AM
DOE producing history elmcreekSS Deer Breeding 0 Dec 20th 2012 09:22 AM
Are XL daughters producing? PharmerBrown Deer Breeding 2 Feb 9th 2012 07:07 AM
Best Producing Maxbo Son? richie0033 Cervid Community 13 Oct 27th 2010 07:25 AM
Who are the best producing brothers Whitetail Sanctuary Cervid Community 11 May 28th 2010 08:00 PM


Facebook Twitter Google+ RSS Feed