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Old May 22nd 2017, 07:22 AM   #1
 
  Apr 2013
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Crows or Ravens killing newborn Fawns

We are having a BIG problem with crows or ravens killing newborn fawns out in our pens. Each day we are finding 1-2 fawns that have their rear ends eaten and eyes pecked out. These were healthy fawns when tagged in the morning. At this point we have lost 14 fawns within the first 48 hours following birth.

We have seen groups of birds on the ground, but they fly away quickly when we are approaching a pen or more away. Shooting them just doesn't seem like an option.

Has anyone else seen this? Have you had any success in getting rid of these birds? Please help... my heart is breaking for our poor fawns.
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Old May 22nd 2017, 08:13 AM   #2
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep
We have had that problem here with fox and ravens. My sons and grandson are avid hunters and they took out the fox's, 30 of them as soon as I said it was ok. Ravens are protected by law but they seemed to find another place other than mine to hunt so not a problem any more.
My advice to you as they will not stop killing the fawns is to take fawns away and bottle feed them.
Our pens just don't have the habitat protection to keep fawns safe from predation like that.
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Old May 22nd 2017, 05:43 PM   #3
 
  Apr 2013
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I wish we could handle pulling the fawns but we will have too many to try to bottle fee them all. Also we would have to pull them right after birth meaning they wouldn't receive the immunities from the doe.

We had fox a few years ago too. They were pretty easy to deal with as compared to these nasty birds. We chase them out of one area and they go to another. On 80 acres of fenced pens it feels like we are fighting a losing battle.
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Old May 22nd 2017, 06:00 PM   #4
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep
They do make colostrum for a replacement that works very well. At least I would pull the best fawns so I would have some good fawns for the year.
We have 255 acres fenced and I know how hard it is to get rid of predators.
But your right ravens are hard to get rid of because they are smart.
Sorry for your losses.
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Old May 22nd 2017, 06:01 PM   #5
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  Jan 2013
  Cando, ND
They would prob die of lead poisoning if they were in my area
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Old May 22nd 2017, 07:37 PM   #6
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep
Out West here they will come and get rid of predators but crows and ravens are on some kind of list so can't be killed. SSS I was lucky mine were transplanted by my boys. LOL
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Old May 22nd 2017, 07:41 PM   #7
 
  Jan 2010
start shooting or hire somebody... or not have a fawn crop
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Old May 23rd 2017, 04:47 AM   #8
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  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

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Just a thought. Would an electronic call of a hawk or something help keep the other birds away? Otherwise a moving object. Wind chimes that you relocate around the pens inside every couple hours? Just to get through the fawning season.
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Old May 26th 2017, 05:16 PM   #9
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  May 2009
  St. Ignace, Northern Michigan

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Only way to get rid of crows is hang a few dead ones on the fence and they will not come around.Has worked to keep crows and ravens out of the feed troughs.
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Old May 27th 2017, 06:42 AM   #10
 
  Apr 2013
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Just wanted to share an update... unfortunately, the battle continues. We have been in contact with DNR & Wildlife services. They don't seem to be convinced that the Ravens are killing fawns and without actually witnessing the kill and having evidence, it doesn't seem like we will get any help from them. Just to be sure we aren't overlooking something, we have doubled down on other possible predators and setting live traps around our property. We have seen no evidence of fox, coyotes, or bobcats. We did have a couple of possums that we saw during daylight hours (around 10am) and raccoons at night. We have not seen or heard any owls or hawks. We continue to have continual presence of Ravens and Crows numbering at least 20 or more.

We know that many of the kills are happening during the daytime where we tagged a fawn in the morning, and find them dead later in the day. On some new fawns, we have seen tails that have been bitten and bloody. All of the fawns seem to have been attacked at the tail and then anus/rectum. We are finding the fawns mostly by seeing a group of ravens/crows fly up from the ground. They never let us get closer than about 300 yards.

We would love to be able to get one to hang up, but have yet to be close enough to get a shot off, but we continue to seek out this opportunity. We are also trying a couple of other things, one of which will be a broadcast of ravens and crows in distress and alerting to predators. While the company has a 100% guarantee, we are very concerned about how this will impact the deer. Has anyone tried something like this? Did the deer react to the birds distress calls adversely? We are going to start slow, but if anyone has experience with this please let us know. We are hoping the shipment arrives this morning so we can start install asap.

Thanks again for all the suggestions. I will try to update as I can.
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Old May 27th 2017, 07:24 AM   #11
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  Jan 2013
  Cando, ND
Any way to put up game cameras on video mode to maybe catch the act? Not sure how big your pens are. Maybe that's not an option. I know what I would do if I was you and I've already mention that. My 243 wssm I have will reach way out past 800 yards so if your a good shot you can start picking them off.
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Old May 27th 2017, 11:06 AM   #12
 
  Jan 2010
Most state wildlife agencies wont help out deerfarmers - just my observations - S S S and more S S S.
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