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Old Apr 5th 2009, 06:03 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2009
  Polk, PA located in west central pa
I was just wandering how much calcium and what is the best kind of calcium to put in deer feed? I now every one has different opinions just want to get few different ideas.
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Old Apr 5th 2009, 06:09 PM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
hmmmmmm very good question virgil........
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Old Apr 5th 2009, 06:19 PM   #3
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  Apr 2009
  Marquez, TX

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I've seen feeds from .8 % to 1.7%. .8%-1.2% for does and 1%-1.7% for bucks. I am feeding 1.5% to bucks and does so I can use the same feed and have it delivered in bulk. I have no idea what kind of calcium it is, I only know that's the percentage we're using.
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Old Apr 5th 2009, 06:49 PM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
  Mexico, MO
I don't think the amount is as important as the ratio to phosphorous. The calcium to phosphorus ratio should idealy be 2:1 if most production animals. And in an animal that produces bone this is especially important. just shoot for a range of 1.5:1 - 3:1.
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Old Apr 5th 2009, 06:59 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
  Nowata, OK
Brian is right, the ratio needs to be a 2:1 calcium to phosphorus. If the ratio is out of balance, most of the feed guys say it will do alot of harm to the kidneys and liver of the deer. We try to stay at that ratio and will be checking our feed everyother month to make sure it stays balanced. Michael Peters
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Old Apr 6th 2009, 02:53 PM   #6
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  Apr 2009
  Marquez, TX

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Interesting. So right now I'm feeding 1.5% calcium to 1.0% phosphorus. That's 1.5 : 1



So does my calcium need to come up or does my phosphorus need to go down? I can't think of any feed that I've seen around here that has a 2:1 ratio. This is the first I'm hearing about this ratio. Where are you getting this info? Has there been a study on this?
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Old Apr 6th 2009, 05:24 PM   #7
 
  Apr 2009
  Mexico, MO
As far as studies in production animals. I'm sure there are plenty. I don't know about deer though. I took a couple of courses in college about nutrition. They really hammered home the Ca:P ratio. as far as a 1.5:1, thats pretty good, your deer will have no problem putting on antler with that. 2:1 is optimal. but trust me, trying to get it absolutly perfect without some kind of nutrient anaysis software can be frustrating. You could make your own if you were a wiz on excel...
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Old Apr 6th 2009, 05:41 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Amsterdam, Ohio
Steve one thing to remember is that beans are high in Phosphorus so if you increase your beans for protein you`ll raise your Phosphorus level. That`s where it`s important to test your feed to get back to your BALANCE. Not that that`s what your doing it`s just food for thought for those that don`t know this about beans. Had me scratching my head at one time before I found this out.
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Old Apr 6th 2009, 06:21 PM   #9
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  Apr 2009
  Defiance, MO

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Steve,

Biotec Industries. (Record Rack) sent me a copy of Calcium/phosphorus requirements for whitetail. It was 1.35% Calcium and .95% Phosphorus minimum. He said the info came from Texas Am. Calcium and phosphorus are closely related elements and are laid down in bone in a ratio of 2.2 parts calcium to 1 part phosphorus. This means that a deficiency or an overabundance of either mineral could interfere with the proper utilization of the other. So like Brian said somewere around 2:1 is optimal. Your local co-op should have a 2:1 dairy type mineral. Hope this helps



Paul Gragg,

Whiskey Ridge Whitetails
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Old Apr 6th 2009, 06:47 PM   #10
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  Apr 2009
  Marquez, TX

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Okay, here is the formula that I just started using. I worked with the nutrionist at the Co-op on it. If you see something you don't like don't hesitate to tell me why. I'm always looking to improve my feed. I also feed Alfalfa.



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Old Apr 6th 2009, 06:50 PM   #11
 
  Apr 2009
  Nowata, OK
Steve, Shane Horrocks with MaxRax is where we heard about this recently. He was at the Whitetails of Oklahoma meeting and had a good presentation about the proper ratios. I'm sure you can contact him for more info. He highly recommends have your feed tested for the correct balance. Do you feed a textured feed or straight pellets? We just started with a new textured mix that was formulated for us by a nutritionalist to get a proper balance. We have our finger crossed. Good luck.



Michael Peters

Arrowhead Whitetails / Cola Blanca Deer Co.



P.S. Brian, tell us what ol'pops and Bill's secret mix is to grow those BIG MO whitetails......lol mp
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Old Apr 6th 2009, 06:54 PM   #12
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Steve,

It looks good to me.
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Old Apr 6th 2009, 06:56 PM   #13
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  Apr 2009
  Marquez, TX

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Right now, I'm using a straight pellet. I mix in some Antlermax textured feed from time to time, but I can't get it delivered in bulk so I had to try and duplicate the percentages in the textured feed into a straight pellet.
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Old Apr 7th 2009, 12:05 PM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
I have a mineral blend I have been perfecting for 7 years. If you would like to see a lable on it or try some, drop me a e-mail and I will contact you.
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Old Apr 7th 2009, 01:41 PM   #15
 
  Apr 2009
  Mexico, MO
I noticed you have cottonseed meal in there. I can't remember off the top of my head, but I thought there were some studies done at Texas A&M on Red Deer that were fed cottonseed. I thought the study said that cotton seed has a coupound in it (I can't remember the name) that decreases fertility and decreases testosterone production in stags. Can somebody clear this up for me?
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