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Old Oct 16th 2014, 06:41 PM   #1
 
  May 2010
  Glasgow, ky
Anyone out there willing to train someone in these areas for a fee, will be using lap AI, just need to learn how to get more "bang" from the buck! Willing to travel. Thanks!!
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Old Oct 16th 2014, 07:41 PM   #2
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
There is a place in Louisiana that works mostly with zoos that will train you on how to use extenders to further dilute straws. I don't agree with doing it post thaw to a buck that is not your own. It is like stealing to me. There are plenty of people who do it. That's just how I personally feel about it.
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Old Oct 16th 2014, 08:23 PM   #3
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There is a place in Louisiana that works mostly with zoos that will train you on how to use extenders to further dilute straws. I don't agree with doing it post thaw to a buck that is not your own. It is like stealing to me. There are plenty of people who do it. That's just how I personally feel about it.




Why would you feel that way after the person bought the straw he is extending? He is just getting the most out of his purchase. Kinda like lap ai where you breed 4 plus does compared to vaginal where you might get 2 with the same straw used for both.
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Old Oct 16th 2014, 08:52 PM   #4
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
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Someone spitting a straw 3 or 4 times is NOT what I meant by stealing.

I don't know how much you know about this. There are a couple very talented people in this business at extending these straws.100+ doe can be bred from one thawed and diluted straw if that many doe could be lined up. A person that would seek to do this who paid for one straw in my mind is corrupt. I hate to even let the cat out of the bag to people who didn't know this could be done because now I am sure there is new group of low life's out there just chomping at the bit to try to pull off the next big dirty.
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Old Oct 16th 2014, 09:56 PM   #5
 
  May 2010
  Glasgow, ky
Mike, would you know who to contact in Louisiana or the name of the place? For peace of mind, the straws I'm wanting to "dilute" is personal straws from dead bucks, that's I'm trying to expand as far as I can. None are purchased. I understand what your saying, didn't want to stir up anything. Also when doing Lap AI we need more volume to work with to be able to split them more efficiently.
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 03:54 AM   #6
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I think in a way that would be like flushing and embryo's! People are going to make a purchase and get the most out of their money. Kinda like drawing 2 bucks, mixing the 2 draws of semen together and sending the 1 mixed batch to get sexed and charged for 1 sexing. There is stealing and there is making smart business moves! I guess there could be a light grey area in there but I would guess that most will get the most from their purchase if possible.
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Old Oct 17th 2014, 04:50 AM   #7
 
  Mar 2013
  Louisiana


just my opinion but when semen is bought are you buying a sperm cell or 50 million sperm cells if it is packsged at 50 million per straw and if a person can divide it up to bred as many does then that's what was sold. unless there is a contract attached to every straw sold only one fawn per straw
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 10:06 AM   #8
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guaranteed MOST semen is*NOT strong enough to split 4 ways
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 10:31 AM   #9
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
How many motile cells with healthy acrosome are necessary to chew through and penetrate the egg?
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Old Oct 18th 2014, 03:48 PM   #10
 
  May 2010
  Glasgow, ky
Guys, I was just asking if anyone knew of someone or somewhere that could do some training. Didn't mean for this to turn into an ethics discussion!
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Old Oct 19th 2014, 04:30 PM   #11
 
  Jun 2010
  Choctaw, Oklahoma
Pokeweed try EMLAB Genetics they can point u in rite direction they r located in IL. Good luck M Kwitowski
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