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Old Aug 10th 2015, 10:49 AM   #1
 Bill Majors's Avatar
 
  Nov 2014
  West Blocton, Alabama
This is my very first post here.* I have been reading and learning for the past couple years. *Thanks, for all the information for us new breeders.


I would like to pose a question and get opinions about building a line that has the desired look that I want.*


For example, I know all of the traits that I want to see in my bucks and I know the data in terms of difficultly in achieving each trait.* What I dont know is the best direction to work from to achieve the desired result.* Should I set out to first achieve something like mass then work to the harder traits like width or do I try to get consistent width then add the easier to pass on traits later in the breeding program? Or, would I be best in trying to breed combinations of traits at a time?*
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Old Aug 10th 2015, 04:15 PM   #2
 
  Jan 2013
  NJ, deer are kept in PA
Im gonna say that someone in the deer farming community has already achieved what you are looking for. Find that line and breed it and it only.. I'll step out on a limb and say it should be pretty easy to buy what you want in a herd that someone else already has. Have some deep pockets. Lol
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Old Aug 10th 2015, 04:22 PM   #3
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  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

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Redgolds would be correct. Someone has to have what your looking for. Then to maintain it breed very selectively either by what I refer to as "stacking" or else by "line breeding." Your choice which direction to go but they both can work. FYI, stacking is just breeding like styled or characteristic bucks. Keeping in mind that one misbred generation can mess up your end results. Good luck!
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Old Aug 10th 2015, 04:26 PM   #4
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  Apr 2009
  cental Pennsylvania

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My advice......start with width. breeding for a certain trait can take years of work and can be frustrating. For example, even when breeding for 24"+ wide frames you'll still end up with ones that can barely break 20" wide, and you'll really get discouraged when you see some that are well under 20", but if after a few years of breeding you can hit half or more of your stocker bucks at 24" + your doing real well. Just keep plugging away at it. I am always asked for wide shooters by my buyers, i believe it is one of the most sought after traits hunters are looking for. I say start with breeding with wide, heavy frame bucks. I personally believe tine length is the hardest trait to breed in. I wouldn't breed with a buck with weak brows or G2's. Just my opinions, I know you'll get some better advice from other guys. I know many guys on here are much better at pairing up deer breedings than I am, I just play around with the genetics and try to have fun. I sure enjoy sitting in the buck pens in the evenings and watching the boys get bigger and bigger as summer progresses.
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Old Aug 10th 2015, 04:58 PM   #5
 
  Jan 2013
  NJ, deer are kept in PA
Matt, in the end, that's what I enjoy the most. Watching the bucks and fawns grow and keeping the does fat and sassy
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Old Aug 10th 2015, 05:18 PM   #6
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
My advice is continue to pay attention to details. That is what seperates the men from the boys. Certain antler traits are more heritable than others. Mass is one of the most heritable. If an undesirable trait is bred into your doe line, you may never get it completely bred out. For example if you like single long brow tines and you breed a buck with multiple brows without a common base, you may never be able to consistently grow offspring with long single brows. It is much easier to ruin the look of a whitetail with our breeding choices than it is to keep them looking like the standard whitetail. Best of luck and Godspeed toward your breeding goal!
https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/...w7000_0155.pdf
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Old Aug 10th 2015, 05:40 PM   #7
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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Thats just what i did also. I bred width. *4 years back i started to Ai my own deer, I refused to breed with any buck that was not at least 30 inches inside spread the first 3 years. I did/do not care about pedigrees with my herd that i raise stockers out of. Now about every doe on my farm has grandparents and parents that are 30 inches wide top and bottom. It is showing big time in the offspring. With width comes frame. *I do have a small herd of pedigreed deer that i bred all to Texas bucks last fall and got some great fawns this summer. *I will breed all Texas again this year in that group. *There is no market for pedigreed deer in this state right now. Its a godsend that we can still move deer out of our closed borders.
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Old Aug 10th 2015, 07:20 PM   #8
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  May 2009
  Chillicothe, Missouri


Great Advice given by folks on here!


In my program I always wanted strong brows and long beams and a 6x or better frame!


I started with my 1st Breeder Maxin Eagle was a 6x5 with 30" heavy beams I bred his daughters to my 2nd breeder Rawhide 30" beams and a solid 7x6 frame.................both my 1st and 2nd breeders where bucks that showed this 2,3,4,5 yrs of age.............And now those does have been bred to my 3rd Twisted Tea...........30" beams 30" wide and a solid 6x5 frame.


My sons from these breedings are showing what I was after 2yr olds 6x nice beam lenght and GREAT Frames with any "Extras" where they should be.


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Regardless your path or like................Take the advice i received from a couple Amish guys Joe Shcmucker and Joni Beechy........."Breed your deer.............keep your head down and don't get distracted by what somebody else is doing.............Stay focused and you will raise the kinda deer your after"


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They both raised some "Pretty Good" Deer!*


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Old Aug 10th 2015, 07:24 PM   #9
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*If an undesirable trait is bred into your doe line, you may never get it completely bred out. For example if you like single long brow tines and you breed a buck with multiple brows without a common base, you may never be able to consistently grow offspring with long single brows.




That is what I meant by one miss-bred generation.
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Old Aug 11th 2015, 05:38 AM   #10
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  Nov 2014
  West Blocton, Alabama


Thanks, for the help and advice. I'm at a critical stage where I really need to lock down my strategy for breeding, be confident in it and stay focused on it. *I appreciate y'all taking the time to respond to this, I will definitely put the advice and info to good use . *
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Old Aug 11th 2015, 05:47 AM   #11
 
  Aug 2015
  Brent, AL


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