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Old Jun 14th 2010, 07:19 PM   #1
 
  Jun 2010
  Piqua, OH
Here's an interesting problem I've run across...



When I first started bottle feeding, I was adding some probiotic powder (can't remember the name off the top of my head...but it was designed primarily for goats and was all that was available at our local TSC). My boss had used Probios in the past and I found a jar of it I had ordered last spring while trying to save an abandoned fawn. It doesn't expire until next year or so and I figured it was better so I switched the fawns over to it. 1 tsp (5g) in each of their bottles once each morning...the other stuff recommended 2.5g each.



When I begun doing that...about 2 days in, both fawns developed the runs.



I had been surfing the old forums on this site last year when I was raising the abandoned fawn and had picked up some tincture of iodine wound solution specifically to cure the runs in that fawn...unfortunately it had passed away before all the stuff I'd ordered had arrived.



Anyway... I added 1cc of iodine to each bottle for the first feeding and then 1/2cc to each additional bottle for the next 2 days until 24 hours after they were having solid bowel movements again. Once I got them off the iodine solution, I begun to give them probiotics to help get their systems balanced again since I've heard the iodine basically clears out all the beneficial bacteria in their system. Within 24 hours, they've both developed the runs again. There's only 2 things changed...removal of the iodine in each bottle and the addition of Probiotics once yesterday and once today.



I started them back on the iodine and once again and won't be adding the probiotics tomorrow...



So now I'm left with 2 questions:



1.) When I get them back to having solid bowel movements, are probiotics even necessary since they have access to a pen with fresh grass and an area where I went through and tilled up the dirt to give them an area where they can munch on some fresh dirt?



2.) What is the likelihood that the Probios is causing the runs? ...or am I just shocking their systems and do I need to start gently with the Probios and work them up to 5g/day over a period of multiple days?
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Old Jun 14th 2010, 09:35 PM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
I too was using the probios and had problems with the runs...i have since switched over to the target probiotics and the fawns are reacting much better to it.......i thought it was something else causing the runs but now I am pretty certain the Probios was the culprit....I am sure there will be others that will say differently but i know what i saw and how the fawns reacted......it could not have been anything else!
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Old Jun 15th 2010, 02:20 AM   #3
 
  Jun 2010
  Piqua, OH
Thanks...I will certainly stop with the Probios then. The fawns are eating well and seem great otherwise, but within 24 hours of adding the Probios, BLAM! Runs.



With them having access to grass and fresh dirt, is the probiotics still absolutely necessary or is it one of those things where if they seem to still be having digestive issues, it's a good idea to add it in?
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Old Jun 15th 2010, 02:32 AM   #4
 
  Jun 2010
  Piqua, OH
I was looking at the Target Probiotics website...which product is everyone using? Wait...let me guess...it has to be the Guardian/Guardian Plus since it's far from cheap? lol
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Old Jun 15th 2010, 04:39 AM   #5
 
  Oct 2009
  Rush, NY
My vet did tell me a few years ago that giving too much probiotics can cause the runs. So I only give it every couple of weeks or after they have been on an antibiotic. I have never used the Target Probiotics though they may be just the ticket.



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Pasture Prime Farm

Rush, NY
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Old Jun 15th 2010, 05:14 AM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Blackshirej a lot of people don't give probiotics when the fawns have access to dirt......I would do like pasture prime and give maybe every once in a while and if giving the fawns antibiotics.........I am using the guardian probiotics and yes it is expensive but it has worked.......I was fighting coccidia in my fawns as well so their little bellies were all messed up...........
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Old Jun 15th 2010, 09:21 AM   #7
 
  Sep 2009
Guardian Plus, it seems expensive but when you figure it out I think its about $20/ fawn in our barn. We have about 100 fawns and they get 1/4 teaspoon in EVERY bottle until they are weaned. It is worth every penny it costs!!
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