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Old Feb 28th 2015, 06:22 AM   #16
 
  Apr 2009
  Williamsport, PA
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Josh did you mean to say that no additive will add 100"?




Yes. Thanks for that. The word NOT is a big difference. If anyone tells you that they can put 100 inches on all your deer year over year they are lying.* Have I seen 100 inch gains in one year, yes. but not on all my deer and not on a average. If you can get gains to average in the 40-60 inches per year/head that is solid.


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Feed is only a means of transferring the genetic make up of a deer to produce antlers.


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This will work best for anyone trying to find the secret--- Keep it simple, keep it balanced, and buy the highest quality products.
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 07:35 AM   #17
 
  Apr 2009
  Magnolia, Ohio


We have never used any type of antler enhancer.We feed Eugene Flees' feed recipe which tests out around 15-16% protein. Our biggest yearlings have been in the 180" range but we have had several 2 year olds add well over 100" of antler. One going 289 and another scoring 328" at two. Natural, year to year growth is what we want and get with that feed. We also feed 3rd. or 4th. cutting alfalfa year around.
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 08:33 AM   #18
 
  Feb 2015
  Maywood MO.
I was at a confrence a while back and someone mentioned bumping protein up to 25% to 30% during the antler growing and fawning season. Any opinions on this
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 11:35 AM   #19
 
  Aug 2013
  Etters, PA
I tried moving it up to 22 to 23 last year and it did nothig
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 11:36 AM   #20
 
  Aug 2013
  Etters, PA
But create a lot of explosive diaharrhea....not all the Bucks.. But a bunch. Way to hot for them. I think Josh is right and I'm going back to 18%
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Old Feb 28th 2015, 12:12 PM   #21
 
  Feb 2015
  Maywood MO.
That is kinda what I was thinking. Are you using soybean meal to get the protein up to 18%?
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 09:35 AM   #22
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
In my opinion the optimum protein level for antler growth would be around 18% while the antlers are growing. In most enclosures there is a combined protein intake of both pasture and supplemented grain. The combined protein level may be drop bellow 10% during drought. A buck will not grow its best set of horns with combined protein intake below 13%. During drought periods I believe that it is best to feed a higher protein than 18%. Also during prolonged drought the amount of protein in pasture forage and browse plummets while fiber/mineral levels increase. Studies at research facilities have indicated that lower protein higher fiber diets can increase antler spreads but have shown a substantial decline in mass. Increasing feed fat during antler growth is also important. The best feed program is one that evolves with the nutritional stress of the season and environment.
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 11:11 AM   #23
 
  Feb 2015
  Maywood MO.
Thank you Bell. What do you think of black oiled sunflower seeds to bring up fat and fiber?
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 11:22 AM   #24
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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Thank you Bell. What do you think of black oiled sunflower seeds to bring up fat and fiber?




We always use Sunflower seeds. Also you can bump protein levels up *30% plus by using a 22% Soy pellet and adding distillers to the mix.
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 11:58 AM   #25
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  Apr 2009
  Bedford, PA


The ONLY thing that I've ever seen put 100" of antler growth on in a year is GENETICS! *Just my opinion here, but I've seen the statistics across the country to back it up... I'd say the breakdown responsible for antler growth is around 80% genetics and the remaining 20% = stress level, environment, feed etc. *
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 02:02 PM   #26
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
In my opinion soybean oil is the most economical method of adding fat to the feed.
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 05:57 PM   #27
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In my opinion soybean oil is the most economical method of adding fat to the feed.how much soy bean oil do you add?
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 06:02 PM   #28
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  upstate ny

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It seems some of my deer have a problem with corn when added if a little. If i feed the pellets,sun flower seeds and such they are fine but some of the get loose if i add even a little corn. Not runny loose but the crap on the hocks kinda look. Nothing i hate worse than seeing that on deer. They are not sick or anything, Just that cow pile look on the ground and stick to the hocks crap!
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 06:28 PM   #29
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  Apr 2014
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I would talk to a deer nutritional expert about what fat content is best for your specific feed mix. I don't feel comfortable recommending a specific amount per ton. If the fat content is to high rumen microbes can be damaged and then the nutritional tract of the deer will not function correctly.
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Old Mar 2nd 2015, 04:56 AM   #30
 
  Feb 2014
  Monticello Fl


Reading here about using soybean oil to add fat to a post rut buck, sent me to my kitchen pantry to look at the wife's cooking oil. I found 100% soybean oil, with 160 calories per tablespoon, and 100% of the calories from fat. A few years ago I was a conference, and attended a nutrition seminar. A feed company expert mentioned using cooking oil to add fat to a deer's diet.


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I've added*3 tablespoons*per buck per day for a week now. That gives them*about 500*calories each extra per day. I'm also using a probiotic. They already look better, and are eating more feed.


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Are there facts to say that this is a good or bad thing to do? I plan on doing this for 4 weeks.
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