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Old Mar 10th 2015, 04:45 PM   #16
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


I work my deer. By this I mean I get into the yards & pens with them. I do occasionally use "protected contact" with hard antlered sambar, & if I was farming some of the larger african antelope I'd no doubt follow the same routine.


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I have lane ways coming in from the south & north. The lanes are generally 8m (24ft?) wide. This width controls speed IMO ,wide & the deer move slower , narrow & they go faster. About 60m (180ft) out from the "yards" I "dog leg" the lanes & start to narrow them. I go from deer fence to chain mesh at this point as its better in "pressure". About 15m (45ft) *before the two lanes meet from the different directions I start using corrugated roofing sheets (I never use shade cloth ,it's a deer killer).The lanes are 3.5m (12 ft) wide at the final point. I use chain mesh gates here because the deer will approach the "light" closer & then see that there is a corner for them to move around. A solid door will see inexperienced animals break back in the direction they came, before noticing the corner. I have four "outside yards" These are 7x3.5m & have draughting doors in each corner. I can break down largish mobs of deer & do most of the draughting/sorting into groups out here. These yards are all walled with 2.4m high corrugated iron & everything is steel (termites are a problem, if I leave timber, like a shovel handle on the ground it will be hollowed out in just over a week).


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After resting the deer I break them down into groups & run the ones I want *into the shed. The shed is 14m X 10m. There is a central lane way 14mx 1.5m, ceiling height is 2.4m. I have four 3.5 X 3.5 rooms on the right. These have draughting doors & the ones opening into the lane way are 1.5m which means I can also use these doors to draught from left to right in the shed & break this lane into 1.5X 2m pens. I sometimes drench & tag red hinds, etc, in these, I get four or five in at a time & squeeze in with them. 1.2m off the ground I have 50mm (2inch) horizontal pipe/bars forming the walls between these rooms & into the lane way in the two front rooms. IMO the deer settle much faster when they can see myself & the other deer moving around. My "work room" 7mx 5m also has these bars facing into the lane way. This is on the front left side of the lane way. It has the drop floor crush & weighting scales & a concrete floor. The deer go through the room via crush & scales but not into the room proper. It has a sink, benches, storage etc.


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My dark room/rooms are on the back left It can basically be opened into one large 7x5m room or broken down into 4 smaller ones (I think I have 24 doors in this section alone). I have my load out ramp in the back left section & the ramp up to the crush in the front left section. Doors could be use to push, but I find that they voulentarily move to the opened door when i am in with them. The ceilings are all 2.4m high & the odd inexperienced deer will jump but that isn't too much of a problem in these yards as I keep the rooms small & usually only group a dozen or so deer together when inside.


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I can do everything I need to do with the deer by myself, I have worked lots of different species from european to asian through yards of similar principles to these. The biggest fault I find is that folks use a draughting circle (old school 70's & 80's) which is 6m & the deer just run in the circle without entering the open door, this requires two people & is exhausting for the deer & handlers, particularly when doing several hundred deer at a time. I think that 3.5m is about the largest room you want if by yourself. I have never used a tunnel system like you guys do & am a bit confounded by it, but keen to learn more.


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Sorry if this is off track but some may find it interesting to see how we work our deer down here, & there might be some trivia which is useful.


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Old Mar 15th 2015, 05:21 AM   #17
 
  Jun 2014
  Jefferson, NY


Hi Guys,


When building deer handling facility is it a good idea to have access to both sides of the deer handler? Thanks Scott
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Old Mar 15th 2015, 06:09 AM   #18
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  Sep 2009
  Utica, PA Venango Co.
Yes
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Old Mar 16th 2015, 03:42 PM   #19
 
  Oct 2012
  Ohio


ABSOLUTELY you want access on both sides
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Old Mar 16th 2015, 04:01 PM   #20
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  Apr 2009
  Bedford, PA
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Hi Guys,


When building deer handling facility is it a good idea to have access to both sides of the deer handler? Thanks Scott




This is a MUST!
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Old Mar 6th 2016, 05:05 PM   #21
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


23025:12805910_236798679996721_653328608588545662_ n. I posted this earlier on another thread, but here is the plans to go with the above explanation. Happy to answer questions & put up some photo's if it helps to explain the flow.
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I work my deer. By this I mean I get into the yards & pens with them. I do occasionally use "protected contact" with hard antlered sambar, & if I was farming some of the larger african antelope I'd no doubt follow the same routine.


*


I have lane ways coming in from the south & north. The lanes are generally 8m (24ft?) wide. This width controls speed IMO ,wide & the deer move slower , narrow & they go faster. About 60m (180ft) out from the "yards" I "dog leg" the lanes & start to narrow them. I go from deer fence to chain mesh at this point as its better in "pressure". About 15m (45ft) *before the two lanes meet from the different directions I start using corrugated roofing sheets (I never use shade cloth ,it's a deer killer).The lanes are 3.5m (12 ft) wide at the final point. I use chain mesh gates here because the deer will approach the "light" closer & then see that there is a corner for them to move around. A solid door will see inexperienced animals break back in the direction they came, before noticing the corner. I have four "outside yards" These are 7x3.5m & have draughting doors in each corner. I can break down largish mobs of deer & do most of the draughting/sorting into groups out here. These yards are all walled with 2.4m high corrugated iron & everything is steel (termites are a problem, if I leave timber, like a shovel handle on the ground it will be hollowed out in just over a week).


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After resting the deer I break them down into groups & run the ones I want *into the shed. The shed is 14m X 10m. There is a central lane way 14mx 1.5m, ceiling height is 2.4m. I have four 3.5 X 3.5 rooms on the right. These have draughting doors & the ones opening into the lane way are 1.5m which means I can also use these doors to draught from left to right in the shed & break this lane into 1.5X 2m pens. I sometimes drench & tag red hinds, etc, in these, I get four or five in at a time & squeeze in with them. 1.2m off the ground I have 50mm (2inch) horizontal pipe/bars forming the walls between these rooms & into the lane way in the two front rooms. IMO the deer settle much faster when they can see myself & the other deer moving around. My "work room" 7mx 5m also has these bars facing into the lane way. This is on the front left side of the lane way. It has the drop floor crush & weighting scales & a concrete floor. The deer go through the room via crush & scales but not into the room proper. It has a sink, benches, storage etc.


*


My dark room/rooms are on the back left It can basically be opened into one large 7x5m room or broken down into 4 smaller ones (I think I have 24 doors in this section alone). I have my load out ramp in the back left section & the ramp up to the crush in the front left section. Doors could be use to push, but I find that they voulentarily move to the opened door when i am in with them. The ceilings are all 2.4m high & the odd inexperienced deer will jump but that isn't too much of a problem in these yards as I keep the rooms small & usually only group a dozen or so deer together when inside.


*


I can do everything I need to do with the deer by myself, I have worked lots of different species from european to asian through yards of similar principles to these. The biggest fault I find is that folks use a draughting circle (old school 70's & 80's) which is 6m & the deer just run in the circle without entering the open door, this requires two people & is exhausting for the deer & handlers, particularly when doing several hundred deer at a time. I think that 3.5m is about the largest room you want if by yourself. I have never used a tunnel system like you guys do & am a bit confounded by it, but keen to learn more.


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Sorry if this is off track but some may find it interesting to see how we work our deer down here, & there might be some trivia which is useful.


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Sharkey




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Old Mar 6th 2016, 05:14 PM   #22
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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Just to give an idea of the laneway & bars. I'm standing between rooms 3 & 8 here looking out the entrance to the shed.
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Old Mar 6th 2016, 05:23 PM   #23
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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So as to give an idea of how the deer enter the crush. Here we are looking into room 8 from the workroom. The door on the left ( closed atm) is opened inwards to this room, a deer will voulenteer to enter room 7 as soon as the gap is wide enough. As soon as it is in room 7 it will notice the light at the end of the crush, I follow with this door & dont give it time to think. 99% of the time they need no further encouragement to enter the crush. I then go back into the work room, slide the door closed, squeeze the walls in & drop the floor.
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Old Mar 6th 2016, 05:26 PM   #24
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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This is the deers view of the crush from room 7.
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Old Mar 6th 2016, 05:33 PM   #25
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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The doorways on the laneway open both in & out. I can use them to block the lane into smaller pens or as draughting doors in the rooms. I like the horizontal bars, they cause much less flight response or stress than vertical bars (they don't excentuate movement) & it lets the deer & I see whats going on. All the species settle much faster & they dont jump at the bars, they only jump at the solid walls & doors. In this photo the workroom is on my left.
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Old Mar 6th 2016, 05:38 PM   #26
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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This photo is taken from room 5 looking into room 4. Here we see the door for room 5 is blocking off the lane way & the door for room 4 can be used to draught out individual animals.*
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Old Mar 6th 2016, 05:45 PM   #27
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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Some folks staring at deer. My head can just be seen in at the door between room 4 & 5 in this shot. Here I am sorting out a mob of fallow into culls & keepers.
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Old Mar 6th 2016, 06:08 PM   #28
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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What its all about.
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Old Mar 7th 2016, 04:07 PM   #29
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia


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I've been asked to scale down the plans for folks who are on smaller acres & with fewer deer.


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I could still get 99% of the jobs done with this design. The shed is highlighted & is 8 x 4m. I would personally choose to use the lane way on the right as it utilises the existing wall & corners are good for the deer to "escape" around. If using the top laneway I'd suggest adding a dog leg or corner to improve flow.
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