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Old Jun 29th 2011, 11:14 AM   #1
 
  Jun 2011
  Rocksprings, Texas
Have a 100ac in Rocksprings, Texas ( Edwards county), high fenced. The rough animal count I would say is 20 whitetail, 25 blackbuck, 5 oryx, 10 axis,

8 fallow, the place has plenty of water stations, put alfalfa and coastal hay out, and feeders with a mix of corn, protien pellets, soybean, split peas, and some blocks. There is lots of oaks mixed with alot of cedar, ( No grass-tho).

Last year all the animals looked good and healthy, this year alot of the whitetail are very skinny. My in laws bought the place and love all the animals, ( we all do) but my son and I feel we need to choose between the whitetail or the exotics, not both. I think due to the number of exotics on the place the whitetails are declining in health and getting skinny. I am asking for some feed back on this issue so we can get with the in laws and come up with a solution. Can this size place handle both or not and what kind of numbers to have on a 100ac. and what would be a good feed program since we cannot plant grass, too dry and rocky.
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Old Jun 29th 2011, 08:21 PM   #2
 
  Jul 2009
  Laredo,Texas
First of all Exotics animals are a waste of money !!!! Axis and Fallow are big bodied animals,they eat a lot !!! They do not let the Whitetails eat.That explains your problem !!! I have a 100 acre high fence ranch in Dimmit county and I have reduced the amount of exotics in my place, I had like 70 axis ,30 Blackbuck,and a couple of Fallows and Sika deer....trust me ....waste of money !!!. All axis are six pointers and blackbuck are 2 horned animals.....Whats the point ? I would get people to reduce your herd by half of your amount. Axis hunts in Texas are (does $200, Axis bucks 1,500 trophy includes lodging).You can go to Harper,Texas and buy them when you need them. Does run for like 200, males up to 600.00. Imagine how much food you have invested in them? I would give Whitetail Deer priority...by far .....Notice how Axis are always in the same spot of the ranch....and whitetails are in the opposite side of ranch. Good Luck !!!
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Old Jun 30th 2011, 05:10 AM   #3
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  May 2009
  Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
No Money in exotics. I agree. Fallows will not let whitetails eat and whitetails will always be number 1 in A hunters eyes
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Old Jun 30th 2011, 06:23 AM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
  Alabaster, Alabama
I strongly disagree! There is much better money in exotics. The exotic market is steady, doesnt have the highs and lows that whitetails do. A shooter Fallow in alabama brings the same money here as it does in Texas. I have fallow and whitetail together in the same pen and they share the trough just fine. Exotics don't have the health concerns that whitetails do. You can move exotics across state borders with MUCH less hassle. Feed cost for exotics is far less as they can thrive on a lesser feed. I've never lost money on exotics, can't say the same for whitetails.
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Old Jun 30th 2011, 08:17 AM   #5
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  May 2009
  Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
I agree they are very hearty. Tough as anything you will find. But if I had a choice to raise shooters. It would be whitetails. A 3 year old fallow shoots for 3500 tops. A 3 year old whitetail shoots for 10,000+. I'm just speaking for the hunting enclosure experience I have and the fallows run the whitetails away from the feeders everyday. Plus they lay around them all day so nothing else will come. This is the experience I have with them. Though they do only have a single fawn so they will not multiply as fast.
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Old Jun 30th 2011, 10:39 AM   #6
 
  Jun 2011
  Port Lavaca, Texas
Consider that the true answer to your question is what do you prefer to raise?

Before answering next consider what species suits the terrain and native food supply. The species previously named are very different in thier preferred food source. You are experiencing a drought condition now and all bets are off unless you supplemental feed. Do you have the resources to supplemental feed all year round, then you can feed anything you wish as long as all species get along. The 100 acres is a small parcel when mixing species. Good luck and consider asking neighbors their experiences as they have similar conditions.
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Old Jun 30th 2011, 04:53 PM   #7
 
  Mar 2009
  Blairstown, LA
I have raised WT's and exotics together for years and although I have yet to get my first 300" WT, I'm getting close. That is no small feat for a WT in Louisiana and Mississippi, regardless of if they co-mingle with exotics or not. Careful managment of the various species and enough feeding stations (not necessicarily more feed) makes a great difference. The value of having exotics in an enclosure that sells hunts is variety and afordability. Yes a 300" WT will bring a nice trophy fee, but how many can you raise annually and will you have a demand for them each year?
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Old Jul 4th 2011, 05:49 AM   #8
 
  Jun 2011
  Rocksprings, Texas
The 100ac is just for our family use only, we are not selling hunts. We do have several spin feeders out and some gravity feeders, block feeders, we put hay out ( alfalfa and coastal), and we have several water stations placed throughout the land. Yes the hill country is in a drought this year so this is a problem and other neighbors are having similar issues. But my biggest question is, being we only have 100ac, and cannot grow food plots, is this ok to have so many different types of game on there. And how do we figure the amount to cut back to. I have seen and have pictures of all the game eating together with no problem ( whitetail,axis,fallow,blackbuck and oryx). so just curious why most of the whitetail are so thin. Should we feed different or different hay since we have no grass. And just in case we started putting out some wormer for the animals.

Thanks for all the replies. trying to see if we are doing right or wrong so we can have a nice place for the kids.
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Old Jul 4th 2011, 09:10 PM   #9
 
  Oct 2010
  Edmonton KY
I have the same issue this year. Our White tail deer look skinny and the Fallow are fat. They eat the same feed and Field Grass. I split them up last week to feed them a wormer feed with there regular feed. The fallow eat every bit of the food in a minute the Whitetail. came threw an only ate half the food and left the rest.
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Old Nov 16th 2011, 07:21 PM   #10
 
  May 2009
  Mims, Florida
We had a hobby herd of Fallows and one thing I can recommend is, no matter what types you have, set a limit as to how many you will have and stick to that. You have 68 animals on 100 acres and they are high metabolism animals. (Our 2,000 lbs of Fallow ate three times what our 5,000 lbs of horses ate!) next year you'll have 68 + fawns. The year after, 68 + fawns + yearlings. The year after, 68 + fawns, + yearlings + 2 yr olds. At 2 you can harvest them for the freezer. Or sell them before they get that old. That will be a lot of deer to manage!



Since these animals are for fun and not profit, it doesn't matter what species you keep. I would keep all the species because they are fun to watch, just consider reducing the adult population in anticipation of the next year's fawn crop, and decide what you are going to do with the fawns. Fallows only have single fawns, but I have heard that whitetails can have up to 5 fawns at a time, and usually twins.



Perhaps keep a brood herd of 12 whitetails, 15 blackbuck, all 5 oryx, all 10 axis, and all 8 fallow. Divide the 100 acres into two 50 acre pastures and rotate for land maintenance. (Also good for seperating bucks from does during rut if you need to!) Space feeders far apart and supplement with round bales, orchard grass and peanut hay; something to mimic forbs and browse.



Spacing the feeders far apart not only facilitates inter-species peace, =-D, but it helps protect does and fawns from nasty bucks. They will have running away space. Bucks are evil and pushy, and could care less about a delicate fawn. Worming is good; we've used horse wormer that comes pre-mixed in a sweet feed base. It's a treat!



Also, despite these critters being for beauty and not hunting, do make sure you get all their testing and vacs done, and get all the necessary certs for things like CWD, TB, Brucellosis, and whatever else your state and other deer farmers need so you can sell fawns, just in case the thought of harvesting them is distasteful to you. Because there is no real birth control for deer except separation during rut, and I believe you can't neuter the bucks; messes with antler growth. And they will present you with crop after crop of fawns, =-)



Good luck!
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