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Old Mar 1st 2013, 07:45 AM   #16
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  Sep 2010
  Indiana

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Wow dear John!

I don't ever say anything to your posts but you just struck a nerve if you are talking about Henry Martin. You don't know him and know what a good person he is. Sometimes, no all the time, you should keep your thoughts to your self!!!!!!!!

Any advice he gives is to truely help people and not sell product. And for your information shade cloth does help with dogs on the OUTSIDE of your fence.



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Old Mar 1st 2013, 11:13 AM   #17
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  Illinois
Its ok Jerrilee, Dear John is just joking around. He sometimes gets people riled up and I know, Ive been one of them! Eldon
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Old Mar 1st 2013, 11:26 AM   #18
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
Very true that dog owners in the country believe that because they are in the country that their dogs should have the freedom to run at large.



And exactly as Dennis stated... it's the dogs that suffer for the owners negligence.

It's only natural for most dogs that when something runs from them...they chase.



Jeff said it...get into their pocketbook AND THEN they will 'pay' attention!



Nice job on the documentation Tom...you CAN NOT have too much! Even stuff you think won't matter...document it anyway...paper work, paper work, pictures, pictures, etc etc!!!



Sorry for your loss...hope the best for ya!!!
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Old Mar 1st 2013, 11:26 AM   #19
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  Deer Park, Alabama

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That is exactly why I try to wipe out all loose dogs within a couple miles of my pen. I have been there and do not care to repeat. SSS period.
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Old Mar 1st 2013, 02:15 PM   #20
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  Annville, PA

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Time for the guy that sells the shade cloth to chime in.


Dearjohn, not sure what you mean by time for the shade cloth guy to chime in but OK I will even though I did already in a previous post in this thread.



Shade cloth will help certainly but it will not stop dogs if they are trying to get in and scaring the deer, only lead will do that and that would be my solution or warn the neighbors before it gets to that point which I would also do. Our animals are expensive and we lose enough every years as so as it is for various reasons.



If your comment was meant for me offer the shade cloth I think most everyone on here knows me and knows how to get in touch with me to buy it and yes, it is still on sale. I also have different millage HDPE plastic that is customer sized that will keep dog out but also capture all wind.



I offer products to deer farmers all over this country and other countries as well and I love what I do and in fact I just cannot imagine doing anything else. I offer advise when I know I can help otherwise I keep my mouth shut and learn. I take photos for many different deer farmers for their print ads, banners and business cards because I wanted to do more in the deer business, again to learn. I joined in with a farm that is doing well with around 140 deer right now.



I am all for freedom of speech, I offer up my thoughts on face book all the time about political issues, current affairs and so forth and I never have stopped saying my peace or told someone else not to speak theirs. If anyone has an issue with me I would encourage them to call me and talk to me personally.



Thank you Jerrilee and Robert for your kind words, it really is heart warming to hear that you feel I am doing a good job but more importantly you know my integrity and know I will not lie to make a dollar. strive to do my best in any business I have been in and I offer great prices for quality material. If a customer is not happy i will do all I can to make it right so again I say thank you.
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Old Mar 1st 2013, 02:28 PM   #21
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Henry,

You are a good guy and you certainly didn't owe Dearjohn any explanations. keep doing what your doing and being who your being.......I know when I need something you are who I call! Keep up the great work!
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Old Mar 1st 2013, 05:15 PM   #22
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  Chillicothe, Missouri
Henry, Keep doin what you do and just IGNORE the NAY SAYERS!!!! There just lookin to get under your skin...........NOT help anyone!
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Old Mar 1st 2013, 06:54 PM   #23
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  May 2009
  St. Ignace, Northern Michigan

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Tom,Sorry to hear about your loss.A few years back we lost a doe with twin fawns in her. The dog owners home owners insurance paid for all three deer.

What helped was our township had a law against dogs running loose. You might want to check county & township for info.
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Old Mar 1st 2013, 07:29 PM   #24
 
  Nov 2010
  Frankfort MI
D,J,R,E,and W you are to funny. First I didn't say anything bad about Henry. Second the whole dog issue or coyote issue has been on here dozens of times. If you are interested in deer farming then you do what I did read all the old forum then all the new forum. The topics that are interesting anyways. Not all the bragging crap. I guess some of you people would rather learn by your own mistakes. Please post them when it happens so those of us that like to learn can. I have no problem with Henry. I do have a problem with idiots. Go find your funny bone. Again thanks for the laugh.
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Old Mar 3rd 2013, 03:58 PM   #25
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
I'm forutnate (or unfortunate) to own several thousand acres acres of un deer fenced bush (woodland). There is good hunting & I practice game management. Pigs are particularly abundent.

I keep this as a buffer zone around some of the more exotic animals I raise. Hemorraghic viruses come in more varieties than just EHD & the several klm's between my animals & the neighbours maggot taxi's (sheep) is worth the effort.



My biggest problem is not the pigs but the poachers they attract. The guys who hunt with pig dogs illegally (without permission). I would have had pig dogs in my enclosures at least seven times in the last twelve months & lost close to 30 animals to pigdogs in that period. Yes! I shoot them all & certainly don't shut up about it. I have a good relationship with the local plod, but the courts don't issue harsh penalties. Also most pig hunters only own a dog, they would have no assets to persue in civil courts.



My best defence is my reputation, being a "Grizzly Adams" has its benefits.



The irony, is that through my other roles (hunting ,game management ,animal managent, future leaders), I find that I'm also pighunters greatest advocate. In the last six months this has include defending the rights of legal pig hunters in parliament & at the Aust Institute of Animal Management (a speaker there last year). The executive of the pig hunting orgs are working to resolve some of the issues regarding licencing, insurance, etc. So hopefully these loses that I have along with others can be prevented in future. My opinion is that no particular breed of dog is worse than another.Its the dog owners & their failure to keep their animals. I'm also anti "breed specific legislation".



As for Henry Martin ?

G'day mate! Hope your well. I wish we had a bloke as keen as you down here!



Cheers Sharkey
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Old Mar 8th 2013, 09:03 PM   #26
 
  May 2012
  Hartshorne, OK
Well after shooting one dog and having a heart to heart with a stupid woman that does not understand that dogs love to chase anything that will run from them. I found out she is a single month with kids and no home owner insurance. She was still letting her dogs run loose. After explaining how stupid she is and that I can sue her and put a lean on her house and garnish her wages, she began to see the light. Know I would have to throw good money after bad I told her I would keep her out of court as long as she got rid of her out side dogs and never get anymore until she has a fence to keep them up. Which she agreed to. Dogs are now gone and so are two of my deer. I put signs up in front of my house stating the law and no dogs allowed signs up. It's a small town so the word is out. A nabor came over ad said if I see one of his dogs out please shoot it cause he does not want to buy dead deer. So still very pissed but at least something got done. Thanks for all the comments Tom
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Old Mar 9th 2013, 05:14 AM   #27
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  upstate ny

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Well after shooting one dog and having a heart to heart with a stupid woman that does not understand that dogs love to chase anything that will run from them. I found out she is a single month with kids and no home owner insurance. She was still letting her dogs run loose. After explaining how stupid she is and that I can sue her and put a lean on her house and garnish her wages, she began to see the light. Know I would have to throw good money after bad I told her I would keep her out of court as long as she got rid of her out side dogs and never get anymore until she has a fence to keep them up. Which she agreed to. Dogs are now gone and so are two of my deer. I put signs up in front of my house stating the law and no dogs allowed signs up. It's a small town so the word is out. A nabor came over ad said if I see one of his dogs out please shoot it cause he does not want to buy dead deer. So still very pissed but at least something got done. Thanks for all the comments Tom


Good Man Tom. Sometimes we have to eat things that dont taste so well. Sounds like you ate yours and did a great thing! Hopeful that something good comes out of your great actions!
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Old Mar 9th 2013, 05:39 AM   #28
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  Chillicothe, Missouri
Tom, Sure hope you never have to go thru this again! Hope ALL your neighbors learn a VALUABLE Lesson about how it could have been ALOT worse for them.........The bad thing is they say you can't fix STUPID!!



Again Hope all works for the BEST!





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Old Mar 9th 2013, 07:00 AM   #29
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  Apr 2009
  Annville, Pennsylvania

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Tom, a tragic end all around for sure but one that made an lasting and very impressionable impact for sure. Than.ks for letting us know the outcome
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Old Mar 9th 2013, 09:31 AM   #30
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
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Originally Posted by Tom Gleason
Well after shooting one dog and having a heart to heart with a stupid woman that does not understand that dogs love to chase anything that will run from them. I found out she is a single month with kids and no home owner insurance. She was still letting her dogs run loose. After explaining how stupid she is and that I can sue her and put a lean on her house and garnish her wages, she began to see the light. Know I would have to throw good money after bad I told her I would keep her out of court as long as she got rid of her out side dogs and never get anymore until she has a fence to keep them up. Which she agreed to. Dogs are now gone and so are two of my deer. I put signs up in front of my house stating the law and no dogs allowed signs up. It's a small town so the word is out. A nabor came over ad said if I see one of his dogs out please shoot it cause he does not want to buy dead deer. So still very pissed but at least something got done. Thanks for all the comments Tom


WELL handled Tom....better days ahead!!!
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