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Old Sep 9th 2010, 03:41 AM   #1
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  Apr 2009
  Clinton, PA

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
I know this is usually a secret to all the guys that collect urine, but I am wanting to know what preservetive and where you get it that you put in your urine to make it keep longer. I am looking into just collecting enough to use for me and my family and possiblly my friends if i get it to work.
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Old Sep 9th 2010, 04:16 PM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
  Hallock, MN
Hi Jared,



I do this also for friends and family and from experience I think that if you collect it and get it into a freezer right away you don't need a preservative. Just thaw it before use and try to use it up within a week. One other thing that I do is not mixing urine from several deer. I am not sure if it makes a big difference but that is just the way I have always done it and believe me it really gets the wild deer curious.
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Old Sep 9th 2010, 05:41 PM   #3
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  Apr 2009
  Marquez, TX

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Have you ever used that mucos that comes out of them when you're AIing? I've hear that stuff works great too. I'm thinkinig of collecting some this year. If anyone has ever used it let me know.
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Old Sep 10th 2010, 07:11 AM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
Steve,



Back, many many years ago, researchers in cattle trained dogs to detect "estrus (heat) related odors". These were some of the first steps to attempt to identify and maybe some day test for this odor. Trained dogs were able to detect the odor in urine, feces, milk, blood, tissue (meat), saliva, and other sources, but they were not able to detect it in vaginal mucus. This does not mean that we should start using venision steak from estrus deer as an attractant, as other components of the sample may spook deer, but it does raise the issue that urine and feces may be more benificial than mucus.



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Old Sep 10th 2010, 07:42 AM   #5
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  Apr 2009
  Marquez, TX

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Steve,



Back, many many years ago, researchers in cattle trained dogs to detect "estrus (heat) related odors". These were some of the first steps to attempt to identify and maybe some day test for this odor. Trained dogs were able to detect the odor in urine, feces, milk, blood, tissue (meat), saliva, and other sources, but they were not able to detect it in vaginal mucus. This does not mean that we should start using venision steak from estrus deer as an attractant, as other components of the sample may spook deer, but it does raise the issue that urine and feces may be more benificial than mucus.



Ray Favero, PhD


Thanks for the info doc. I had a guy tell me to use it, but I've never heard of anyone trying it so I figured I'd ask. There's enough going on anyways while we're AIing, I don't need to be having to try and collect mucos too
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Old Sep 10th 2010, 04:28 PM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
I have people trying to knock me over to get drops of the stuff, while I am dealing with semen worth thousands of dollars. But you are as well off with feces or urine, can try collecting it on something with a neutral odor like sawdust or shavings in the holding area.



Part of the reason that the deer industry has to put up with me is my families long term raising of deer. I have had an interest and had done business in urine for a long time. I can still remember 35 years ago when a neighbor came over and placed a couple of burlap bags on the ground in a shed that our fallow herd used. He returned several months later and "dug" them from under the feces and urine and put them in a garbage bag and took them to Kentucky for hunting season. He claimed that he dragged them for a long distance over deer trails, and placed the gunney sacks on some bushes near a deer stand. He also claimed that they shot several inquizative deer smelling the burlap bags.



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Old Sep 10th 2010, 05:47 PM   #7
 
  Apr 2009
  Polk, PA located in west central pa
i used the mucus last year mixed with fresh urine and had some young bucks curious but had a couple of older mature bucks snort and run away after smelling it.
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Old Sep 10th 2010, 06:19 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Defiance Ohio USA
I have a covered ran way my bucks like to lay in.

You walk in there and you can smell them. going to put my camo in there.

see how that works. going to take to the stand in a bag,so they dont run me down
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Old Sep 14th 2010, 04:05 AM   #9
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  Apr 2009
  Rivesville, WV

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Jarod,



from what I have learned and understand over the years is a pinch of salt in the urine will help keep it fresh. How much to be exact is unknown to me. If 2riv has put it in the freezer and it works for him, that is good. I personally understand that the freezer will make the urine separate and break down much faster than normal after it is thawed. He did say use it fast.



We had a raccoon problem last year. We couldn't put out leghold traps because of our cats, so we put out cage traps. W ended up catching several coon. We disposed of all of them, except we caught a couple very young coons. We felt bad and couldn't put them down. So, we put them in an old rabbit hutch. My son started rigging a way to catch their urine. We thought it would be a nice cover scent for hunting as well as trapping. We ended up catching about a half gallon of coon pee. About a teaspoon of salt was added (we just guessed) and the urine was fresh all year. We did keep it refridgerated.



Good luck!
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Old Jul 25th 2011, 05:31 PM   #10
 
  May 2011
  Evansville, Indiana
how do you all go about collecting it. being that i am one of two or three deer farms in southern indiana i am looking to do this just to help bring in a few extra dollars since im pretty new and not quite in the green yet.
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Old Jul 26th 2011, 01:32 PM   #11
 
  May 2011
  Evansville, Indiana
had several of my questions answered today by wayne pederson with www.whitetaildeerfarmer.com

thank you
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Old Aug 2nd 2012, 01:35 PM   #12
 
  Jul 2010
  Illinois
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had several of my questions answered today by wayne pederson with www.whitetaildeerfarmer.com

thank you
would you care to share any with me, id like to sell some to help with costs. thanks
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Old Aug 3rd 2012, 04:51 AM   #13
 
  Apr 2009
Could, would post the info you received?
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Old Aug 3rd 2012, 09:58 AM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Well Ben without getting too crazy and building collection pens.......you need to have deer that are tame...and if they are laying down and you get them up you simply be ready cause they will usually pee within a few minutes after standing and you just hold the cup and let them do their thing......LOL......wear gloves!!
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Old Aug 22nd 2012, 09:40 AM   #15
 
  Aug 2012
  Lewistown, PA
would anyone be willing to pm me or post on here how their scent collection pens are built im a contractor and starting deer farmer and would like to build on help would be greatly appreciated
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