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Old May 25th 2009, 09:31 AM   #1
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

Cervid: Whitetails
A good friend of ours had his very first fawns last night...2 doe fawns. One is perfect and the other has a badly deformed nose.



She only has one nostril (the other one actually curls down into her mouth and does not take air) and her lip is clefted. Kind of like those poor children that you see on the Smiles Train (I think that is what it's called). Her teeth are not normal either where the cleft is. They are pointed. I also saw that on one front hoof that she doesn't seem to have the the "hard" shell on it. It's red--like bare skin red and raw. She does limp on it too.



I don't have any pictures of her, but I can tell you that it is not pretty. She seem healthy and alert and otherwise good. He wanted to know our advice and as usual Randy and I had 2 different opinions. I say take her to a vet and put her down before they get more attached and have to do it at a later time.



Obviously, she could never be sold to anyone with that kind of deformity. I just have a hard time with animals suffering.



I would like to have some more opinions....I know it's hard without a picture, but she does took like a baby born with a hair lip. The lip actually grew with a split and only one working nostril. I just don't know if a person should let her go on.



I feel so bad for him with this being the first time he has fawns.....what a bad first experience. I told him to talk it over with his wife and they will have to make their own judgement call.



Thanks for any input on this
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Old May 25th 2009, 09:53 AM   #2
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep & Alaskan dahl sheep
Susan, I have always felt we as care takers of this fine breed should always cull inferior animals so our gene pool will stay as strong as they are in the wild. Mother Nature would not allow this animal to survive and neither should we as the care takers of this fine breed of animals. This would be my imput on this.
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Old May 25th 2009, 10:59 AM   #3
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  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

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I hate to say it but culling is the answer in my opinion. Sometimes it is hard to do the right thing, but in the end we know what must be done so we do it.
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Old May 25th 2009, 11:17 AM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
  Fountain, MN
I am sure that in the long run and maybe even the short run it would be best to put her down. We had to do that a couple of years ago to a fawn that developed abcesses on it's body and after the vet tried to do the best he could, my wife and him both decided the best was to put it to sleep. It's funny how you get attached to the little guys after such a short time.
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Old May 25th 2009, 11:38 AM   #5
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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Yes, I totally agree with putting her down....I just wouldn't want to get attached and then have to do it like I had to do last year when Randy wouldn't let me put that blind one down until I just did it 2 months later. It's just too hard on a person. I just hate to see her suffer also. Her life just wouldn't be normal not to mention if she has a genetic defect in her DNA.



Thanks to all that commented....appreciate your input.
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Old May 25th 2009, 12:14 PM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
  Tobin Lake, Saskatchewan
I am not going to ask for the details of the deers breeding but in the future I would if this was my doe I would breed with a completely different line, if it happens a second time I would remove all offspring from the breeding program. check the family tree for lack of branches. all things that happen are a learning /teaching situation.
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Old May 25th 2009, 12:26 PM   #7
 
  Apr 2009
  Nowata, OK
I too would cull her. Sometimes the does do not get enough nutrients to produce healthy fawns. It is probably nothing genetic with the doe just a lack of minerals, vitamins and general nutrition. Had one born last year with her nose at about a 90* angle. Her mother was a daughter of Hollywood and out of Dreamcatcher. They both have produced well, just something went wrong. It is a tough decision but must be done.
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Old May 25th 2009, 01:50 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Amsterdam, Ohio
Sorry Susan for your friends misfortune. I think we all know what should be done. If this fawn was born in the wild I`m sure mother would have abandoned her knowing that she would not be a healthy offspring. Mother nature is much more cruel to the way it culls.
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Old May 25th 2009, 02:13 PM   #9
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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I don't think he would mind if I put the breeding cuz we have some of the same breeding and I would not hestitate to put it out there. She is a MO Geronimo daughter on the top and a MO granddaughter on the bottom and she was bred to Otis.



I have an Otis fawn myself out of double MO Geronimo breeding and she is as healthy as a horse.



MO Geronimo bloodlines as such old lines I'm sure nothing is wrong there and Otis is going to be 5 (?) this year and I know he's been breeding for 2-3 years.



Personally, I would put by "buck" on bad luck. I think you hit it right on the nail Mitch when you say that we all know what should be done....thanks.



Just an early lesson in deer farming (and any livestock) for him that all don't make and all aren't supposed to make it.
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Old May 25th 2009, 02:59 PM   #10
 
  Apr 2009
  Fountain, MN
Is a birth defect a genetic defect or is it something that it just happens every once in a while? Just wondering.
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Old May 25th 2009, 03:28 PM   #11
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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Good question
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Old May 25th 2009, 06:01 PM   #12
 
  Apr 2009
  Central Illinois
I would also reluctantly cull. It's part of the job of a responceable breeder. A very tough part of the job.
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