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Old Mar 21st 2015, 03:28 PM   #1
 
  Nov 2013
  Mission MN
We have tranquilized and moved several hundred whitetail maybe even a thousand in the last 30 plus years with rompum and in recent years Telazol mix. Finally all the BAM hype got us . I ordered. a kit last week to move some bucks out of northern MN to our place. Antlers are off , outside temp around mid 20s, 3-5 year old bucks that are relatively calm . Five darts later into the hams of 4 different bucks , normal amount of visible bleeding from the dart , 2cc pneu darts same as we always use. Absolutely no reaction from any of the bucks. Is there such a thing as a bad batch of BAM. Anyone want a deal on unopened reverser for BAM? We waited a few hours and did 2cc Xylazine Telazol darts into the bucks we were hauling and the trailer was loaded. I am not trying to start the battle that is already documented on this forum of BAM vs? ..just stating this expensive experience and wondering if anyone has ever had a bad batch? I will be calling Zoopharm on Monday. I wonder if they sent us the placebo ?
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Old Mar 21st 2015, 04:14 PM   #2
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  Aug 2012
  Billings, MO
I would give them a call for sure. Please let us know what you find out. I love BAM, but have had nothing but excellent luck with it. Keep us posted.
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Old Mar 21st 2015, 04:24 PM   #3
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  Sep 2010
  Indiana

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Strange for sure. Darted hundreds of deer with it without an issue
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Old Mar 21st 2015, 05:12 PM   #4
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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We have tranquilized and moved several hundred whitetail maybe even a thousand in the last 30 plus years with rompum and in recent years Telazol mix. Finally all the BAM hype got us . I ordered. a kit last week to move some bucks out of northern MN to our place. Antlers are off , outside temp around mid 20s, 3-5 year old bucks that are relatively calm . Five darts later into the hams of 4 different bucks , normal amount of visible bleeding from the dart , 2cc pneu darts same as we always use. Absolutely no reaction from any of the bucks. Is there such a thing as a bad batch of BAM. Anyone want a deal on unopened reverser for BAM? We waited a few hours and did 2cc Xylazine Telazol darts into the bucks we were hauling and the trailer was loaded. I am not trying to start the battle that is already documented on this forum of BAM vs? ..just stating this expensive experience and wondering if anyone has ever had a bad batch? I will be calling Zoopharm on Monday. I wonder if they sent us the placebo ?




LOL..Back to the old saying. If it aint broke, dont fix it. Hope you get it figured out. *We will stick to the old ways here.
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Old Mar 21st 2015, 07:13 PM   #5
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  Apr 2009
  Bedford, PA


Sorry about your experience. *That really sux. *I've darted a couple hundred with Bam now and never had a problem. *I'll take the bottles of reverser. *
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 04:34 AM   #6
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  Oct 2011
  Columbia City, IN
Check your darts......i had a batch of darts that did not "fire".....the primers actually pushed out instead of firing.
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 06:27 AM   #7
 
  Jul 2009


I've done probably a hundred sedations with BAM and never had a problem. I cannot imagine five darts with NO reaction.*
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 06:51 AM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Between shipshy and Indy
I've darted over two hundred deer with BAM and never had a problem. Can not say that with tel/xyl. I would send it back and have them check it out.
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 10:18 AM   #9
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN


definitely would be thinking that the problem could have been the darts. *I would check that first. *Too short of dart needle would create slow absorption. *I have had that happen if I used a 1/2" dart with winter hair or it hit them high and went sub Q. *It may take them 20 min or more to go out when that happens.


*I know there were some issues last fall with them. *If you purchased them last fall that might be the problem.
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 11:10 AM   #10
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  Jul 2009
  Deer Park, Alabama

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I had a lot of darts last fall that did not inject the meds.
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 03:00 PM   #11
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  Apr 2009
  Bedford, PA


Jerille brings up a good point. *Just talking from lots of experience here... the only time I would ever use a 1/2" needle on a deer would be for fawns or small does in the summer. *We use 1" needle on our bucks in winter and 3/4" on them in summer. *The adult does all get 3/4" needles in winter and most of them get the same in summer. *If they are smaller we may use 1/2" needle on them. *After switching to this regimen years ago, we have dramatically reduced any issues with deer not going down quickly. *I think this is often times one of the most overlooked aspects of chemical sedation/capture. *If you're not getting the medicine into the muscle, you're going to have issues. *
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 03:58 PM   #12
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN


I usually use 3/4 inch darts on adults year round and might use halves in the summer on adults and always on fawns. *I have seen other people use a few 1" ers *and lodge them into bone. *My first experience doing testing for someone else , they were told to dart in the neck/shoulder *and he hit the humerus with a dart using a pump. The shot fell off more than he anticipated. * It broke the humerus *lenth ways with the bone instead of across and had a very sharp point like a knife that was ready to come thru the skin and he opted to put her down. *I always hit them in the rump after *that experience. *I think the less trauma with the dart the better thats why I use *a 3/4".
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 04:34 PM   #13
 
  Nov 2013
  Mission MN
We use all 1" needles tri port pneu darts on adult deer. 3/4" on young deer. The darts we used to finish the job were from 2 open packages that we tried with the BAM and they worked fine with xylazine/Telazol mix so I am confident the dart was not the problem. I had 1cc of BAM left in the bottle. Put it in a syringe today and injected into the hind end muscle tissue of a 90 lb doe fawn and there was no effect. She never faltered . My mistake might be that I don't have a sample to send back to Zoopharm. I know that it can work great as we have hauled and helped on other peoples deer that have used BAM. I think I will stay with the old school in the future but am anxious to talk to Zoopharm tomorrow.
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 04:40 PM   #14
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN


With that result sounds like there was definitely a problem with the bam. *Send them the bottle there is probably enough residue for them to test. *They can put some saline in with it and what little is left would mix. *Better yet they should just replace it. *
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Old Mar 22nd 2015, 05:10 PM   #15
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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We switched to BAM this year and haven't had any problems. Love how the deer reverse so quickly with no residual signs of being tranquilized.
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