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Old Jan 11th 2012, 05:23 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2011
  Kenosha, WI
Does anyone have advise about bottle raising 2012 whitetail fawns with goat's milk? I am entertaining the idea, but not sure to go with milk replacers or goat's milk.



Have experience bottle rearing hoofstock like reindeer calves, goat kids, nilgai, zebra foals, beef cattle, bison and others. Nearly always used good quality milk replacers...



Used Land O' Lakes Lamb milk replacer with the reindeer, fed with prichard teat and soda bottles.



Those of you using goats milk, do you pasturize or no?
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 03:44 AM   #2
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA
We have pretty much gone to feeding cows milk and milk replacer, but we have used unpasteurized goats milk transitioning to milk replacer quite a bit in the past. It would, of course, be better to use pasteurized, but we had very little problem as we did it. I no longer think it's worth the extra money to use goats milk, however.
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 06:21 AM   #3
 
  Apr 2011
  Kenosha, WI
Jeff,



When you say cows milk and milk replacer, are you mixing the milk replacer with the cows milk (in place of water)?
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 06:36 AM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
  Polk, PA located in west central pa
Straight cows milk is the easiest and you will have very good results. We feed them all they want til their bellies are full. You can not do this with replacers cause they will bloat but with straight whole milk you can and they do great.
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 07:11 AM   #5
 
  Jan 2010
2 years ago i used goat milk and had excellent results. I was concerned because it was not pasteurized and decided to go with straight red cap ( cows milk) right off the grocery store shelf. I had excellent results again and will continue to use red cap. It is also ALOT less expensive than goat milk and is pastuerized. I may go with a cup of replacer per gallon this year simply because it can provide some additional beneficial nutrients.
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 07:13 AM   #6
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
In my humble opinion (IMHO)- next to mamma's milk, there is no better milk than GOAT milk that has been pasteurized, from a healthy goat (with no Johnne's disease). I have never seen pellets as nice as with those produced from goat's milk.



Land o' lakes milk replacer?. I have not heard good things about it at all.

Fox Valley is well-reputed, but expensive.



See Fawn care guidelines, by Dr. Clifford Shipley

http://www.deerfriendly.com/management/fawn-care
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 08:06 AM   #7
 
  Apr 2011
  Kenosha, WI
First I would like to say thank you to all of you who posted responses. It is nice to hear what works for different people!



I have read some postings from the old forums, and saw that although several used Land O' Lakes, many thought bad things of it.."weak bones"....and "no added calcium"



Is this true? We have used it for years with the reindeer. However, we started mixing the powdered replacer with whole milk as a substitution of the water portion, and it worked great. Best weight gain we have had on a bottle reared reindeer calf.



But getting back to goat milk. I would like to give it a shot. I agree, wouldn't want it coming from dairy goats with a history of Johne's. Perhaps a Johne's free certified goat dairy?



Lanasvet thanks for the links, checking that out now
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 12:18 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Central Illinois
In Iliinois if you don't use pasturized goat milk the herd you get your goats milk from also have to be TB tested and bruccelocous certified or you will lose your accredication We used straight red cap cows milk with good results/
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 01:42 PM   #9
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA
Steve,

Yes, we mix whole milk (red cap) and milk replacer. It increases the fat and protein content of the milk. Maybe goat milk is better, I just can't say that from experience. (Although many on here have more experience than me.) Also, we haven't had problems with bloating doing it that way (replacer + cows milk).
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 02:11 PM   #10
 
  Apr 2009
  Polk, PA located in west central pa
Jeff do you feed all they want?
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 05:52 PM   #11
 
  Apr 2009
  pa
Tried goat milk this year and was very happy!!!!! will not go back to replacer!!

Big healthy fawns!! Good Luck!!



Scott Neeb

Chanllow Farms
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 06:14 PM   #12
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA
Virgil,

More or less. We have a given amount we shoot for, but when we leave they aren't climbing up for more, nor is there usually much left in the bottles. Some of that depends on the schedule, too. How many times a day you feed can determine how easy it is to get a filling amount into them. The milk replacer we use has a probiotic/prebiotic in with it, so I think that helps too.
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 06:45 PM   #13
 
  Apr 2011
  Kenosha, WI
Jeff, what replacer do you feed with your whole milk?
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Old Jan 12th 2012, 09:50 PM   #14
 
  May 2010
  Kinmundy Illinois
Goat's milk is hard for me to find so I went with replacer for one year and did not like it so I went to red cap. I have had great result's with my bottle fed's since I switched to red cap. I do mix 1 cup of replacer with 1 gallon of milk. Also mix probiotic's in the first and last bottle of the day and give the fawn's Albon in the last bottle of the day for the first 3 or 4 day's. I do not feed all that they want, I know some do and have good luck that way as well.
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Old Jan 13th 2012, 06:10 AM   #15
 
  Nov 2011
  Warriors Mark, PA
Steve,

Key Calf 2 by Agri King (they are based in Illinois, but have a lot of regional reps in my area). I used to work for them, so I knew about it from that. It has their probiotic/prebiotic mixed in it and works great. It is very reasonable priced as well. We have had almost no scours using it.
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