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Old Aug 15th 2009, 09:10 AM   #1
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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I'm starting this thread out with a "mad smilie" cuz seems we've been fighting coccidia for almost 2 months now. Many of you, I'm sure, read or replied on our stuggle with the buck fawn of ours that had coccidia and then seemed better and then dead the next day.



I want to know:



1. Does everyone have the problems we have had?

2. What do you do as a preventative?

3. Does this affect bucks fawns more than does fawns?

4. Every tidbit of information that you've acquired over the years.....PLEASE share!!!!



This thread is one of those threads that will help everyone!!! We need to hear what everyone does. What works, what doesn't......everything.



I can't tell you how hard it is for me to not swear on this now cuz I'm so frustrated with this!! It's been one fawn after another, treating all pens that have contact with each other, nonstop...for 2 months!!! We are at our whits end right now.



Our pens are new within the last year, not overly crowed (in fact the pen that it has showed up in now is the least crowded and was just built this spring), all prairie grass with nice browse, the deer haven't been stressed out about anything.



WHAT ARE WE DOING WRONG!!!!!!??????
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 09:51 AM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
What have you tried treating with so far?
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 09:57 AM   #3
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  Apr 2009
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Been using the liquid to put in the water....sulfamenthozine (sp?). I believe it is the generic of Albon, from what I've read/heard. 1/2 cup to 6 1/4 gallons of water--doing a 5 day treatment as I have read on the forum. It seems to clear it up, but then BAM....there it is again. Just can't seem to completely wipe it out of the herd.



I should add that on the fawns we can catch and the bottle feds I gave them 5cc/day for 5 days either in the bottle or down the throat.
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 10:12 AM   #4
 
  Jun 2009
  copley ohio
I used Corid per my vet at 1 1/2 cc per day for 5 days for 10 week old fawns and it took care of it. has not returned.
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 10:32 AM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
I don't think you will ever wipe it out completely as all deer have tolerable levels of coccidia. Our goal as farmers and what we should strive to accomplish is keeping the levels at a tolerable level for the animal.



If its a severe problem or ongoing problem then you may need to go with a stronger and broader range anticoccidial agent.



You might want to try some Deccox, or Deccox-M for bottle feeding. Deccox acts at 5 developmental stages of coccidia, and provides the widest range of action of all the anticoccidial agents. Although it does not kill coccidia, it stops the growth of it.



Please be sure to check with your Vet before using/trying Deccox on your animals. Although it is labeled safe for "other animals" I am in favor of checking with a vet before giving any animal medications.







Good luck!!
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 10:35 AM   #6
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  Apr 2009
  PA

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http://www.jackmauldin.com/health/coccidiosis.htm
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 11:29 AM   #7
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  Russell, MN

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Thanks John



Appreciate the web site....but I want specifics. I know we treat our deer somewhat like goats are treated. I'm looking for regimens from the deer farmers.



What do YOU do in your pens to prevent coccidia? What do YOU do when you see a fawn being raised by a doe and it has coccidia? What do YOU do when you notice your whole bottle fed fawn pen has the runs?



Every deer has it....I understand that. The sulfa stuff limits the coccidia, doesn't kill it....I understand that. I've read every thread under the old forums, I've read every thread here on the new. Sorry....can you tell I'm completely frustrated!!!



I know some of you that have been raising deer for years have an idea or two on how to prevent, how to treat, etc. Please share!!! and help the rest us out that aren't quite as knowledgeable right now!!!
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 11:40 AM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
John,

What would be bringing the levels up on one farm but not the next.....I ask this as I have had my share of troubles as well.........i treat my fawns at birth with the C&D Anti and then again I give them their boosters......i treat them with corrid in the water once a month..........I don't know what more i can do........does coccidia live in the soil? could it be in the pen that they are being raised in? It is a large 1/2 acre pen........Sshould I heavily treat the pen with Lime?
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 11:55 AM   #9
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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Yes, Dennis, you've brought up some good points with the vaccinations and the treatment once a month. So if once a month isn't working for Dennis then someone else must know another treatment.



I keep asking Randy...."is it in our soil???". And also the liming or that earth stuff....sorry I don't know how to spell it. Those were other thoughts that I'd had before.



Our pens are 1 acre apiece. The pen that has it right now has 10 does and 6 fawns in it. I would say not-crowded at all compared to some. Not muddy at all since it is new with native and brome grass throughout pen. This pen is also our TAMEST does. All but one will eat out of your hand and you can pet them. Even the fawns are mellow. Not in the process of weaning. So what was the trigger? This buck fawn is 9 weeks old, so definitely not real young.
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 11:56 AM   #10
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I know the website is about sheep and goats, but you need to understand the way coccida works...and the best way to prevent it getting to fawns....ect...



What I do...

That works for me...

I give tri-lution...It binds to the coccida and takes it out of the body with the stool instead of it staying in the body, that way the numbers don't get to a dangerous level...also it is not a medicine, so I don't need to worry as much...It is very important when weaning like the website said...If one seems like it is having problems I treat with sulmet.

Vaccinations are not for Coccidia

Amprolium(corid) can kill if used to much so be careful

Did you do a stool sample check so you know it is coccidia...

If so what was the oocysts count
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 12:21 PM   #11
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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Yes....stool samples have been done and have tested positive. We have lost one fawn (for sure) to it....see previous posts on coccidia.



The vet we have been going to specializes in goats and sheep. She raises them herself.



Like I've stated, I've read every post on both forums. I've done numerous searches on the internet. I've read the vet's book. I've read and read and read. I know what it is, I know what it does, I understand how it works.....and I have been dealing with this for 2 months, so I also have 1st hand experience with this. I have not lost any bottle fawns (although, 5 had tested positive)....the only fawns that have been lost are on the mother.



That is why.....I want to hear from deer farmers.



Obviously, there is something that I'm missing on getting this contained.
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 12:32 PM   #12
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  Apr 2009
  PA

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The main thing is keep food and poop seperated...

Feed up off the ground and away from wild birds or (chickens if not treated)... Keep water up where they can't poop in it... rotate fields if you can the more deer you have pooping in an area with grass they are eating the more problems you have... normally

Sorry call if you want...
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Old Aug 15th 2009, 07:30 PM   #13
 
  Apr 2009
Deer eat where they poop and poop where they eat. That's the down fall to raising any grazing/browsing animal. It's hard to break the life cycle of parasites.



Several years ago we had a really bad run with coccidia. We came to realize the farmer who rents our farm spread liquid manure within 15 feet of our pens, and on the uphill side. So our pens became heavily contaminated through rain runoff. Also, birds carry coccidia and can spread it in the droppings.



We had the vet out and he suggested we use Deccox for 28 days topdressed. Keep in mind, you need to break the life cycle. By using a short term product that kills the coccidia in the animal it does not kill the coccidia in the soil, which is where the deer browse/eats from. You need to run a long treatment to completely break the life cycle in both the animal and the soil. You will never completely eliminate coccidia, but you can control the level of infestation.



In the spring, we top dress deccox or anytime during the summer where high levels are possible, like damp rainy weather. We have also used corid in the water as to help prevent a resistance to deccox.



This is just what has worked for us.



Good luck...

John
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Old Aug 16th 2009, 05:52 AM   #14
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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Thanks John--Painted Meadows--Warren Whitetails--Dennis.



I guess we are the only 5 people that have problems with coccidia.



I'm really disappointed with the lack of responses. I would think that everyone would want to contribute so that we can all help each other out.
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Old Aug 16th 2009, 07:16 AM   #15
 
  Jul 2009
  Northern, NJ
I don't have that much experience but can share what I've learned from others. Lime, regualarly with pulvarized Lime, Preferably drop spreader. If not already doing so.

Bovatec in the feed starting several weeks before first fawns are born. This way, everyone is getting it at a constant level right thru spring, summer and early fall. Up to you if you want to run it year round. If you have an outbreak, then treat with Sulmet, Corrid or some of the other things suggested by others on here. Your on the right track, by seeking others experience.
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