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Old Apr 19th 2009, 05:45 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2009
  Central Illinois
Hello, I have found this article by Dr. Cliff Shipley with the U of I and its a very informative article on raising fawns. You can find it on ildfa.com as well. I would like to hear everyones opinions on the article on what they agree with or disagree with and start a great informative forum to help out the farmers that are still learning the best ways to take care of fawns. I am going to be bottle feeding 6-8 this year and have never done that many so anyone that has tips and hints and how-tos I would greatly appreciate it. Everyone has there own ways of doing things so hopefully we can throw them all out here and everyone can learn a few things on how to make fawning more successful and less stressful. If you know of any other articles that will help us out that owuld be great as well. Thanks in advance!!
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 11:11 AM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
  Brookshire, Texas
Where was a guide like this when I started out? This would have been a great help, although I do things a little differently now, it is a great tool for someone just starting off.



My main differences:

I don't cut feedings, I increase and decrease the amount as they grow and start to wean, but still offer a bottle ever 4-5 hours, from 6am to midnight, until weaned (most people cut feedings, I have chosen not to in my program). I agree with and follow the 20% body weight rule, and if a fawn is sick and not on the bottle, I make it up with lactated ringers SQ to ensure proper hydration and kidney function until I get them turned around and back on the bottle. Pedialyte is good in that circumstance, and is easier on a sour belly than milk.



I use Target Probiotics Fawn Paste at birth, and at 24 hours old, and am able to not use e-colizer or anything else at that point. I agree with and use the C&D anti-toxin, especially if I don't know the vaccination history of the doe.



I pull fawns at about 36 hours, and have never had any trouble getting them to take a bottle within the first 4-12 hours I have them.



I think this is a great guide. Everyone has their own take on how to do it, and I agree with Dr. Shipley, if your program works, stick with it.
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 12:08 PM   #3
 
  Apr 2009
  Landisburg, PA
Robbie,

I was wondering what nipples you are using? Let us know. Thanks Drew
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 12:16 PM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
  Brookshire, Texas
Drew - I use regular baby nipples. I tried the Pritchard's, and didn't feel like there was a significant difference, and as the fawns got bigger and started to drink more/faster, I was having trouble switching nipples on them, they didn't want to change over to baby nipples once they were used to the others. In a situation with a tripplet/runt, or really tiny fawn, I'll start with the Prit. as it seems to work better for their tiny mouths.



I watch the nipples closely, the fawns will start to knaw on them, and then can aspirate milk, so they get checked every feeding and thrown out if there is any damage that would allow milk to flow too fast.
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 12:32 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
  Nowata, OK
Robbie, How long have you been using the Target probiotics? We are looking into using it this year with our fawns and are wanting to get some feedback from a few that have used it. Both pro and cons of use. Thanks
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 01:35 PM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
  Brookshire, Texas
I started using Target 2 years ago. It has changed my program for fawns and adult deer completely. Brad would want to start digging a hole when a fawn quit eating, and these products have proven to be miracle workers. I can turn around fawns that would never have made it before. We never knock down any of our deer without a tube of Electromax on hand. I just can't say enough about these products.



I am such a believer, that I am now a rep for them. Let me know if you have questions or if you want to give any of it a try.
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 03:17 PM   #7
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  Apr 2009
  Russell, MN

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Robbie-



Been looking at using the Target Probiotics. Last year used First Fawn Paste. Is the Target Probiotics a similar product?
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 03:34 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  pa
Robbie

Do you use regular childrens pedialyte on a sick fawn? how much do you give? any preffered flavor or just plain?



Thanks Neeby
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 05:45 PM   #9
 
  Apr 2009
  Zanesville, Ohio
Last year was my first and only experience feeding fawns but I had problems getting a baby nipple to penatrate far enough back to stimulate the natural sucking reflex. I ended up using the regular old black rubber goat nipples that tightly slide over a pop bottle top. They are hard to get milk out of but after fawns got use to sucking I ended up modifying the opening with a pair of scissors. I never had trouble with fawns drinking too fast but maybe I was just lucky. It just always seemed like they could not get it fast enough!
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 05:56 PM   #10
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  Apr 2009
  PA

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Sometimes if you use the web of you hand to direct them to the nipple... it is like in the moms leg area and leads and stimulates them to suck.

(Some like it under and some like over their mouth)
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 06:27 PM   #11
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Pritchard nipples work great!! fit on any pop bottle!!
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 06:41 PM   #12
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  Apr 2009
  PA

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I use them most of the time, but dollar store bottles with the clear nipples work better on some fawn.

Each fawn is different...Then there's Fallow deer...Wow
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 08:09 PM   #13
 
  Apr 2009
  Polk, PA located in west central pa
Where do you get this target probiotics product.
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 08:10 PM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
  Brookshire, Texas
Susan - I haven't used First Fawn, so I can't give a true comparison. Target Fawn Paste has literally turned my program up a notch, or three. I can't say enough good about it. I use it on every fawn born, whether I am going to pull and raise or not. My bottle babies also get a scoop of Special Blend 12 in 2 bottles a day. W-80 if they show any sign of scour or other physical symptom indicating a problem on the horizon. I re-treat with 5 grams fawn paste anytime I suspect anything might be thinking about going wrong. You can't overdo good probiotics.



Neeby - I use both, plain and flavored PL, depending on the situation. If a fawn comes completely off the bottle, I use plain or grape PL and Target Blend W-80 as a drench, if they won't suck. Once they are showing interest in the bottle again, I use plain PL with milk to ease them back onto the milk, so their stomach can adjust. Just depends on what the circumstances are at the time.
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Old Apr 20th 2009, 08:11 PM   #15
 
  Apr 2009
  Brookshire, Texas
Virgil - you can call me and order, I'll have it shipped straight to you.
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