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Old Jan 13th 2015, 08:08 PM   #16
 
  Mar 2011
  Dodge, WI
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Why would them feeling no pain or *being numb have anything to do with sperm reaching an egg for conception?




It would be less stress on the deer. I believe any stress that can be taken away would result in better conception rates. I originally posted it just to get more into out about it and just relaying what the rep told me about MK.
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 04:16 AM   #17
 
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It would be less stress on the deer. I believe any stress that can be taken away would result in better conception rates. I originally posted it just to get more into out about it and just relaying what the rep told me about MK.




Mate. I think you would do just as well with the Zoetil (Telazol) / xylazine brew as with this "MK". The Zoletil (Telazol) has diazepam in equal ratios to the cyclohexane, to prevents the "ketamine effect", which can be rather nasty in deer.


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Old Jan 14th 2015, 05:21 AM   #18
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  Oct 2011
  Columbia City, IN


Hands down, BAM is the only way to go. I've darted a hundred or so deer with Telazol/Xylazine mix (which something always goes not right) But with BAM, I still just giggle like a girl, when I watch it work!
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 05:21 AM   #19
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It would be less stress on the deer. I believe any stress that can be taken away would result in better conception rates. I originally posted it just to get more into out about it and just relaying what the rep told me about MK.




Well i could see where it may help Ai if you had to chase and dart numerous times. I do not believe people change to BAM because they have problems putting deer down but rather the wake up part of it. Then if a person using a chute to syringe the doe in the chute would not be adding any more stress by using a different medication. A sleeping doe is a sleeping doe really, I just cant see how it would help ai the old fashion way, and lap Ai where he semen gets dropped right on the egg? * * *Will be an interesting read for sure if some research gets done.
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 10:28 AM   #20
 
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I saw a fawn this year that had been sedated with straight Telezol. It took two days for the fawn to die and it was not pretty.*


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anyone that thinks Rompum/Telezol is as good as BAM, simply put, does not have a clue what they are talking about.


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Todd has it spot on....
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 10:58 AM   #21
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  May 2009
  Chillicothe, Missouri


Telazol/Rompin.....Is as Good as BAM..............On MY Farm!


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Just don't change what works for YOUR farm because folks tell you somethings* "BETTER".................Because BAD and GREAT Experiences can had WITH BOTH!
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 02:01 PM   #22
 
  Jan 2013
  NJ, deer are kept in PA
I personally, haven't heard a bad story about bam. I talk to about 30 folks a year that use bam. Not saying there isn't any story's buT like whitetail sanctuary said, use what had worked on your farm
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 02:36 PM   #23
 
  Apr 2011
  Gheens, Louisiana
I darted a buck that weigh about 230 lbs with 2CC of BAM, He went down in 5 minutes we cut antlers and reversed him with 4CC reversal up in 5 minutes. We darted cut antlers and back on his feet in 17 minutes. But here is the kicker we did this at 6:00 AM the same afternoon he look like he was drunk stumbling and walking slow, So I darted him with 2CC of reversal , the next morning he was fine.
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 04:21 PM   #24
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  Oct 2009
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I saw a fawn this year that had been sedated with straight Telezol. It took two days for the fawn to die and it was not pretty.*


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anyone that thinks Rompum/Telezol is as good as BAM, simply put, does not have a clue what they are talking about.


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Todd has it spot on....




Really...Painting with a pretty big brush ! *I have never had a problem when i sedate and i have never used BAM. Darted 200 easy with no problems. Sometimes the issue falls on the doctor and not the medication.
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 04:25 PM   #25
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I darted a buck that weigh about 230 lbs with 2CC of BAM, He went down in 5 minutes we cut antlers and reversed him with 4CC reversal up in 5 minutes. We darted cut antlers and back on his feet in 17 minutes. But here is the kicker we did this at 6:00 AM the same afternoon he look like he was drunk stumbling and walking slow, So I darted him with 2CC of reversal , the next morning he was fine.




I have heard a few complaints about them not coming out with bam also and i have heard complaints about having to use 2 different drugs to reverse. Not real sure as i have no need to using something that works just fine for me. I dart with the cocktail and reverse as soon as i am doen doing whatever it is i do. No waiting 30-45 minutes. Down.done and up. No problem.
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 05:52 PM   #26
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  May 2009
  Chillicothe, Missouri
I Always Laugh when this Topic gets goin!

5 Shooters.....Feed n Water pulled 24hrs in advance of darting. Started feeding Apples a week in advance of Darting so they will be REALLY interested!

5 shots.....2cc..Coctail mixed 6:1....ALL 5 Down n OUT in 3-5 mins....ALL #250+ Bucks ALL DOWN 3'-6'of each other and NEVER took a step from place started darting from Standing right in the middle of em! Darted first 3 Before the others even noticed last 2 toss few Apple chunks.......Walked right back to me....POP...........Few Apple chunks last one right back to me!

To me the KEY to Darting is KNOW YOUR ANIMALS............If BAM works GREAT for you AWESOME.....But DON'T Blame every POOR result on the PRODUCT!

Operator ERROR is more common than you think!
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Old Jan 14th 2015, 08:10 PM   #27
 
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operator error may be prevelant, but that dosen't make Rompum safer than BAM, because it isn't. Talk to any knowledgeable vet about the two and he will tell you BAM is 10X safer.*
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Old Jan 15th 2015, 02:44 PM   #28
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  Apr 2009
  Bedford, PA


I used Telazol/Xylazine for years, and it worked "well" for me. *Only lost one animal out of hundreds darted (she aspirated and died, not saying it was drugs fault). *I too was very skeptical of BAM when it first came out. *But there is absolutely NO comparison for how quickly the deer go down and get back up between the two drugs... well, at least on my farm. *Maybe my deer are different somehow, but it was like night and day once I had something to compare my Telazol/Xylazine mixture to. I've darted around 150-170 deer in the past 2 years with BAM, and it continues to amaze me how well it works. *Much less stress on the deer from an "anesthesia" residue standpoint. *I'm not here to promote any one product, but there is definitely a big difference between how quickly the deer recover and go down on BAM vs. Tel/Xyl.*


If I never switched or tried BAM I'm sure I would be saying that what I was using worked great... because it did, until I saw how much better BAM works. *Just my 2 cents for anyone considering another option regarding chemical immobilization.*
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Old Jan 15th 2015, 05:05 PM   #29
 
  Apr 2011
  Gheens, Louisiana
I've used both, with the BAM 5 minutes down 5 minutes back up ( that one case I talked about was the only one I ever had with Bam)

My vet used Tel/ Xylazine mixed 4 to 1 when we AI'd it took my does forever to get up and still walked around drunk looking for a while.


I was actually concerned about them getting up because I was so used of Bam recovery being so quick
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Old Jan 15th 2015, 05:29 PM   #30
 
  Apr 2009
  Clanton, Alabama
I used Tei/xyl for 10 years and it work good for me I did not want to change to bam. One day I went to a friends place and he used bam and his deer went down in five to eight minutes and was up eating after reversal in 4 to 5 minutes. I have been useing bam every since that day and have had just as good of results bam is the best for my farm.
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