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Old Jun 16th 2013, 09:51 AM   #16
  Aug 2012
  Burnt River, ON
His temp is normal...101, his stool is firm, he has drank over 1400 ml of milk replacer in the last 2 days. He was happy and alert yesterday.....progressively getting more lethargic today. I just finished syringing 60 ml of electrolytes down him and he perked up a bit. I'm so confused. His mouth was warm at noon when I tried to give him his bottle, yet his lips started to feel cool by the time I stopped trying to get him to take it.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 02:20 PM   #17
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  May 2010
  Stevens Point/Gillett, WI
Try to give him an IV of fluids with dextrose and B vitamins added. The dextrose (sugar) will keep his energy up. Sounds like your doing everything right.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 03:47 PM   #18
  Jun 2012
  Archer City Texas
Derek, we went thru the same thing. Ended up it was our milk. We sent our milk feed etc to a lab and came back the milk was not what it was supposed to be. They have to have 33% fat and 30% protein. The milk we had bought said that on the label but the lab results showed differently. So I would start there by having your milk checked.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 03:59 PM   #19
  Aug 2012
  Burnt River, ON
Thanks guys. My vet won't return my calls, so can't go the iv route until tomorrow if needed. We have some b complex that we are going to it was suggested by a friend. We are going to have our original milk replacer tested and have already switched to a different one. Surely it couldn't be that both if them are bad?? Although they are from the same company.

We went out 30 min ago and he was going a good way...he was really hungry. Again strange....he would totally dodge the bottle and bunt away at our chests, legs etc. He wanted nothing to do with the milk, but after some coaxing he finally drank 125 ml. He would not take a drop more, but still went nuts whining and bunting at us for something more to eat. We then put him outside and he instantly ate a bunch of dirt. He is munching on grass etc right now and still begging for the bottle....which he hates and refuses to take without tons of persuasion.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 04:32 PM   #20
  Aug 2012
  Burnt River, ON
I guess I forgot to mention that this last guy that we are dealing with now is 18 days I am definitely not over feeding him. He is...or was getting 6oz per feeding, 4 times per day until he started to lose his appetite. I didn't start him at that amount, but that is the amount that he had progressed to. Or maybe that is too worked for me with the 8 we bottle fed last year anyway. We are definitely not veterans in this game.
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Old Jun 16th 2013, 08:04 PM   #21
  Nov 2012
  Vinton, Louisiana
This year I'm feeding straight red cap whole milk and fawns are doing great. They are around 3 weeks old and I also keep calf mana & blue creek 17% in the pen along with fresh water.
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Old Jun 17th 2013, 04:44 AM   #22
  Aug 2012
  Burnt River, ON
A quick update. We gave a 2nd dose of penicillin at noon yesterday and he progressively got better throughout the afternoon. At 5 or so we tried to give him some vit b complex mixed with some electrolyte but he hated the taste. We are going to look for a better form of it today. We then offered him his bottle and he took right off and drank the whole thing down. By his 10 o'clock night feeding he was back to what a fawn should be like ....he was pacing and running up to us as soon as he saw the bottle. When he was done drinking it, he went over to his water dish and started drinking out of it (we added some natural sugar to it as well). By this morning he was again going crazy to get the bottle in his mouth and drink it all up. When he finished, he went and had another drink of his water and when I brought in a maple branch he ate about 10 leaves as if he were a vacuum cleaner. Fingers crossed that he keeps moving forward! I have to think that the penicillin is killing something off. When we gave it 4 days the evening, he was better by the next morning and his appetite was better for 2 days. The third day he was regressing to little appetite and lethargic. Gave the penicillin at approx noon yesterday and by the 10 o'clock feeding he was doing great and by morning he looks like the healthiest fawn in ontario.

As a side note, I think if we have the nerve to bottle feed next year we may give red cap...or as we call it here..homo milk a try. Lots of you guys on here seem to believe in it.

Thanks everyone. I'm hoping our persistence has/will pay off
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Old Jun 17th 2013, 03:03 PM   #23
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  Apr 2009
  cental Pennsylvania

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Great news! I hope he continues to do well for you.
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Old Jun 17th 2013, 06:29 PM   #24
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  Deer Park, Alabama

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Check the gums and tongue. I would put them on straight red cap, just like your cereal but make sure it has the red cap, not the 2% stuff. Also add a fresh bowl of dirt not dry or wet just moist. Don't discount the dirt, it will help!
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 05:35 AM   #25
  Aug 2012
  Burnt River, ON
Thanks everyone! We have been switching the dirt every day and went and got probiotic paste, thiamine and short acting penicillin. I gave all 3 two nights ago and he is doing amazing! He is yanking the bottle out of hands and looks MUCH more alert and "bright eyed". Right now I'm not sure which remedy is helping him....but at this point I'm just happy that he's recovering. I know things can change fast though! Fingers crossed!
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Old Jun 20th 2013, 06:20 AM   #26
  Jul 2009

I hate it when I don't know which of the "shotgun" cures works, but it beats the alternative for sure. Sometimes you(and the fawn) just don't have the time to try meds one at a time to see what works...
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Old Jun 28th 2013, 07:55 PM   #27
  Jan 2012
  Brownwood, Texas
I use straight goats milk. Fortunately, we have a lady about a hour drive from home that sells it to us by the gallon. Ever since I switched to it, my fawns do so much better. I had constant problems with powdered milk. Only drawback is goat milk is costly but well worth it.
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Old Jun 28th 2013, 09:00 PM   #28
  Apr 2009
I use red cap milk and mix in a can of Meyenberg goat milk and it has worked great for me had no problems at all. That's what Matt Kirchner told me to do and I've been real happy with the results no problems at all.

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