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Old Aug 11th 2009, 03:57 PM   #1
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  Jul 2009
  Deer Park, Alabama

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Is lumpy jaw contagious? I had a one year old doe last week that the lower jaw was severely swollen. She seems better and all swelling is gone but today I have 2 more one year olds in the same pen with swollen jaws.



What causes this to happen?
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Old Aug 11th 2009, 07:25 PM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
vaccinate your fawns with Fusoguard make sure you booster them too......
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Old Aug 11th 2009, 07:27 PM   #3
 
  Apr 2009
  Tobin Lake, Saskatchewan
I don't know of any studies but I would think so,it is passed from doe to fawn through milk so it could pass from contactlike deer preening and cleaning each other. It is just as likely they can pick it up from the same source, this being the soil in their pen. Was the lump on the outside of the jaw or between the jawbones under the chin?
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Old Aug 11th 2009, 10:32 PM   #4
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The swelling is under the jaw, not to either side. These are not bottle feds but they are sick enough that you can handle them.
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Old Aug 12th 2009, 12:50 AM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
  Tobin Lake, Saskatchewan
I believe( without a picture ) this is what is called water jaw or bottle jaw, treat with antibiotics as you would with any other infection. You should not have to lance the lump,it will go away by itself.
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Old Aug 12th 2009, 07:07 AM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
Sometimes parasites can cause a swelling under the jaw. Have a fecal test run. Treat with a good wormer and a coccidiostat if needed. Just a suggestion. Consult your veterinarian for any extra-label drug use.
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Old Aug 12th 2009, 09:16 AM   #7
 
  Apr 2009
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Sometimes parasites can cause a swelling under the jaw. Have a fecal test run. Treat with a good wormer and a coccidiostat if needed. Just a suggestion. Consult your veterinarian for any extra-label drug use.


I agree with Ray Favero. It is surprising what a good round of wormer will do for "bottle jaw". Valbazen drench (in correct dosage) dumped over the feed would cover most of the worms, including liver flukes, that contibute to bottle jaw.





Bottle Jaw

Bottle Jaw in it's true form is a swelling beneath the jaw and is most often caused by worms or liver flukes. It is distinguishable from other swellings of the jaw in being centrally located, rather soft in texture and can be moved around. Quite often, worming will cure this condition.



Lumpy Jaw

Lumpy Jaw on the other hand is the result of an infection of the jawbone. These lumps are immovable hard swellings of the bones, usually at the level of the central molar teeth. The swellings develop slowly and may take months to reach the size of a golf ball. They consist of honeycombed masses of bone filled with yellow pus. If neglected the swellings may become very large. In advanced cases, sinuses or openings develop and discharge small amounts of sticky pus containing gritty yellow granules. The cause of lumpy jaw is a bacterium called "Actinomyces bovis", however other organisms may invade the lesion. A. bovis is a common inhabitant of the mouths of healthy ruminants. It is thought that a sharp object eg. stick or hard stemmed hay punctures the lining of the mouth allowing bacteria to invade the deeper tissues.



The organisms then reach the jawbone where they set up an infection leading to alteration and swelling of the bone. In younger animals erupting baby teeth often leave a pathway for A. bovis to enter the bone. Occasionally infection is found further down the intestinal tract but the cause is the same.





Correction: Ivomec Sheep Drench does NOT effectively remove or control liver flukes, as I originally posted. Valbazen Drench is used for the removal and control of liver flukes.
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Old Aug 12th 2009, 02:23 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Magnolia, Ohio
Our Vet Dr. Donley says that true lumpy jaw is really very rare and that food impaction, infection or parasites are often the real problem. We have tried it both ways, treating with antibiotics and just letting it go and the result is generally the same. The lump pops open and drains itself and the problem is fixed.
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Old Sep 7th 2009, 11:02 PM   #9
 
  Apr 2009
  Sullivan,MO 63080
HI, I have a buck fawn with lumpy jaw it is the real thing not just an abcess or food impaction.I cut the swelling open and it has the granule particales in it and you can see some pus and the first tooth is turning black.I have never had the real thing before have had the lumps on the jaw before were they just bust on there own and you give draxxin and they go away. But i have given this deer 4-1cc shots of draxxin over the last few weeks plus la200 but doesnt seem to do any good.I have read about it and most things i have read say that they are pretty well done when they get this but i was wondering if anyone else has had this and what they did and if it worked.HE is still able to eat right know but if it doesnt stop eating the jaw bone away he wont be for long. Thanks for any help just lost on what to do about this one.
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Old Sep 8th 2009, 05:55 AM   #10
 
  Jun 2009
  Perryville, Mo. USA
Wthollow, that is not good, first of all Draxxin is NOT the cure all most farmers think it is. I have had this problem before and here is what works great for me. At first sight of swelling, if it is a mother raised fawn, using straight Xlazine (rompum) use a .5 cc dart with a .5 inch needle and tranq. with a blow gun. Cover his eyes. Guessing he is probably a 3-4 month old fawn now, I would administer 4cc Penicillin sub que - 2cc Nuflor .5 in muscle and 1.5 sub que - 1.25 Banimine IM (in muscle) - 1cc Vita B sub que. This has been a one time treatment for me and has worked very well. I used to use Baytril in place of the Nuflur and had to treat twice. Also, I would use peroxide in the mouth on the sore, then flush with water after bubbling stops. DO NOT ALLOW TO SWALLOW PEROXIDE. He also needs Probiotics. With all the Draxin and LA200 he has had you must give Probiotics (blue paste at farm store) squeeze in between cheek and gum. Reverse with 1cc of Tolazine and uncover his eyes. I use all 20 guage needles on these little guys but you will need an 18 guage needle for the Penicillin. If he is bottle fed I would use .4cc of Xlazine in a syringe to bring him down, reverse with 1cc Tolazine. Again, he needs the Probiotics, if possible give them for 3-5 days after.



Stevel, if it is allowed to pop open and drain on its own into the ground, the following year you may have it return as a bigger problem. The spores can multiply and return attacking more of your fawns than the year before. Absolutely no infectious puss is allowed to hit the ground. Catch it and kill it.



Also, do not cross contaminate by touching other equipment after handling infected animals. Jeff
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Old Sep 16th 2009, 08:46 AM   #11
 
  Jul 2009
  Kimbolton, Oh
We have a 3 month old bottle fed doe fawn with a solid lump at her jaw line. Just noticed it last nite. She is eating well and acting ok.. We just moved them to the big pen 2 wks ago. We gave shots for EHD,Worm and a small dose of antibiotic. They are eating alot of other greens now that they are in the bigger pen. I could not feel any impaction just a small solid lump and a good bite of the finger LOL. We have to give the second EHD injection Saturday. Anyone have any suggestions? I have a call in to Dr. Shane. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Dr. Shane called administering the following to all the fawns that were in contact with each other. Three fawns total that is all we have.



2cc Nuflor sq

12cc Poly Serium sq

1/2 cc Banamine IM

2cc Fuso/A.Pyo sq



Might I say the medicine box is filling up quick.
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Old Sep 17th 2011, 12:04 PM   #12
 
  Sep 2011
  Hollandale, MS
Hi guys- We have a fawn (buck) that we are nursing until he is old enough to go it alone. We've had him since July 7 (a little over 2 months now). He appeared to be only a wk (at best) old at the time. He has been on a bottle and we've just noticed what you are describing: a small swollen pouch underneath his chin. It is symmetrically located between the two jaw bones under his chin and not grossly large. It's soft not hard and doesn't seem to "move" when touched. It's more like touching a water balloon; the contents sort of give way when prodded. He is extremely healthy otherwise and it doesn't seem to bother him at all. Our intentions are to release him into a pinned area at a nearby park that accepts animals under these circumstances. Therefore, would you all suggest treating this condition or trying to let his immune system fight it on its own? And, if so, what do you recommend?? Thanks so much in advance for your time!
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Old Sep 17th 2011, 06:53 PM   #13
 
  Jul 2009
I've seen several this year with same symptoms. Use 1cc Fusoguard sq, and 1/2 cc Draxxin sq.
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