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Old Jun 10th 2009, 08:57 AM   #1
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1 if you are feeding red cap you must feed all they want.Do Not feed like

replacer.You will starve your deer if you do not!

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2 Do not do that with replacer! You will kill fawns



I have talked to Two people... and do not want a red cap fight... But need to make sure they know to feed ALL THEY WANT OF RED CAP.

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Old Jun 10th 2009, 10:19 AM   #2
 
  Apr 2009
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I switched a fawn at 4 weeks old a few days ago due to poor body condition and over all look. I switched to red cap but I add one teaspoon of superior to it. The fawn has turned around very well and is looking great and has great pelleted poo again. This is my first time around with the red cap so I am experimenting with it. I studied long and hard over the past year to decide if I wanted the switch. I had to do something for this fawn so I figured I might as well try it now. The fawn was on goats milk and I believe it had something wrong with it that it might have passed down tothe fawns. Normally I woulnd never switch feed for fawns. But I felt I had no choice. Hope all goes well with him because he is a Martygraw son.....
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Old Jun 10th 2009, 02:23 PM   #3
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
I use the Red Ca as well as most everyone on here knows by now......the system for Red cap is that they must eat more.....yea we say all you can eat BUT use common sense as some fawns will over eat and not no when to stop....they can over eat and that can lead to milk spilling over into their rumin which is not a good thing.....most fawns when they start getting full will start mouthing the nipple and start spitting it in and out.....but like i said you always have those ones that will eat till their bellies explode........it's just common sense you know when they have had enough. Good luck with what ever system you use! Hope your fawning season is going well!!
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Old Jun 10th 2009, 04:39 PM   #4
 
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when should the fawns start pelletizing their poo?
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Old Jun 10th 2009, 06:43 PM   #5
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A week or Two ...If it isn't perfect pellets don't worry as long as it is like tooth paste...It is not to much to be concerned with as long as you are giving dirt and probiotics...If it stinks or gets watery or has blood is when you need to do something.
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Old Jun 10th 2009, 06:56 PM   #6
 
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it"s kinda like toothpaste. what is probotics? and she's outside, so she should be getting dirt.
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Old Jun 10th 2009, 07:01 PM   #7
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Dig the dirt up ...turn it upside down keep it changed daily...

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Old Jun 11th 2009, 06:47 AM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Northeast Indiana
I have to tell you this is my first run with the red cap milk. I had a buck fawn that i HAD to get turned around in a bad way. We are going on 4 days now and he is 100% now. He only takes about 9 - 10 oz right now but we are also adding pumpkin (for anti parasitic properties and mass) 1 tbs to a bottle, 100% natural yogurt at 1 tsp per bottle, and for now Superior milk replacer at 1 tsp per bottle. This fawn stunk like death when he got here and could barely get up on his feet. Slime in the runny stool, and terrible odor. He had a terrible cough that would knock him off of his feet. The only thing other than the above bottle given was 3/8 cc draxxin. He is now pelleted and looks like he has gained some weight all in 4 days time. He has a very light cough that only happens once in a very great while. We have him in the house with an Ionic breeze cleaning the air going to him. The things we do right!! He is a Martygraw X Vortex / Redoy Roller son. I really hated to loose him.



Thanks all for posting all the information you have over the past few years on deerforums. The knowledge here has helped many. I would have never even thought about the red cap had it not been for the threads posted here. It is working great for me so far. I can get it fresh whenever I need it too!!
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Old Jun 11th 2009, 02:01 PM   #9
 
  Apr 2009
  Central Illinois
We started red cap this year too. Great luck for the first 3 weeks. adding probiotics to every bottle and they would eat about 12-18 oz every 6 hours. Then this past week they have squirts every other time we feed. hard at one feeding and 6 hours later turns to screamin and smellin. We went to only giving them 8 oz. of milk and then how ever mch water they could drink. We are now giving them pumpkin and yogurt and probiotics. I think it is starting to harden up but does anyone know how fast they digest what they take in. The 6am feeding is the first of the day, so when will that be coming out the other end? Should we give them more milk and less water? Milk has the fat and protein and good stuff but water is just keeping them from getting dehydrated. They act like they are starving and they drink 8 oz milk and would drink 20+ more oz water if we would let them. been cutting it off round 12-15. What would you red cap guys do? Do you think that they acting like they are starving when we feed because we arent giving enough milk? Or they are just hyper and excited because its time to feed? They are 4 weeks, so how many oz do you expect them to eat at 4 times a day? We are plannig on switching to 3 times a week so should the amounts be any different for that?
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Old Jun 11th 2009, 02:35 PM   #10
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I only have 15 on the bottle now...My first one was born on March 13th



I let all of mine, except for one eat all they want...She is a comfort eater...She is a single doe fawn (Huge)AI baby...I stop her... I will let her eat her full 24 oz bottle ...feed the others...than see if she still wants more or if she plays with it.
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Old Jun 11th 2009, 03:10 PM   #11
 
  Apr 2009
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TRO......your not feeding them enough milk......mine are eating at least 16 to 20 oz of milk per feeding unless they don't seem like they want that much....if they start messing with the nipple it is time to move on to the next fawn.....sometimes they just want to goof off.....well they sure are hungry for the next feeding....anyhow, feed them more if your using the red cap and not mixing with any replacers.........try putting in the pumkin for a few feedings and see if it helps with theie stool....I have had some loose stools too...but don't get to excited unless they are really squirting bad and if there was blood in it......or if they are not eating well.......otherwise I use the pumpkin and it seems to harden them back up.......but definetly get them eating more milk!! Good Luck..........a lot of people panic when they see a loose stool.......you are with these fawns daily and you should know as soon as they are not feeling well....my motto is if you think there is something wrong with the fawn act then....don't wait till you know there is something wrong because then it just may be to late. trust in your judgement!!
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Old Jun 11th 2009, 03:17 PM   #12
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Greatly stated Dennis.
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Old Jun 11th 2009, 03:41 PM   #13
 
  Apr 2009
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Alright, Thanks alot Dennis. We will get back onto just redcap and probioitics. Then only use pumpkin and yogurt if the stools get loose?? Or do you add some of that to each feeding anyways to keep it solid. Do you always stay with 4 feedings or at what age do you start giving more milk and only 3 times a day? Thanks for the help guys. I Just fed and there were some nice looking turdlets on the ground so I think they are better. Hopefully not going to be constipated now.
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Old Jun 11th 2009, 03:51 PM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
  Central Illinois
I forgot to add... How many time are you wiping there butts to make them go each day? If you dont see them go on there own or if you dont do it for them then how you know if they have the squirts. 3 and 4 week olds and we are just wiping once a day to keep an eye on what it looks like. Is that good or bad? The other thing is if they are wanting more than 20 ounces would you consider giving then a 3rd bottle of water instead of milk or only use water when something goes wrong.



We were told we were probably feeding to much milk and wiping them too often and thats why they were squirting. So , supposed to add water and only give 8 oz milk instead of 18. Thats why we were on that track but I think we should have it figured out after these questions are answered. Thanks again, its great hearing what other farmers are doing and how they solve problems.
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Old Jun 11th 2009, 04:06 PM   #15
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They should have a dish of water at all times...but personally, I wouldn't give a bottle of water this early on.
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