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Old Mar 14th 2012, 12:33 PM   #1
 
  Dec 2009
  Lawrence Kansas
I have a doe fawn that is 10 months old and otherwise perfectly healthy. We found her 4 days ago unable to get up. She had no sign of injury yet she could not use her front legs at all. We put her in the barn and have been treating her with dexamethasone daily as well as lactated ringer to keep her hydrated. Day 2 I could hold her up and she would stand breifly of her on. Since then its been down hill. Today she has a lot of swelling in her ankles and is pretty much unresponsive. We did notice two tiny holes about an inch apart on her lower jaw today with sign of rotten tissue. It has been warm the past week but I cant imaging snakes being out. Any advise would be helpful.
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 12:47 PM   #2
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
Could this possibly be due to a Thiamine deficiency??? Need to ask an experienced deer farmer. This is a tough one.



Search the board for Thiamine and see what you find.



Could she have hit the fence hard? Does her neck and back seem ok? I think you might need to call in a Vet with a portable Ex-ray machine.



Sorry that I cannot be of more help.



Scott Heinrich would be the guy to contact here.
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 12:48 PM   #3
 
  Oct 2011
  Milaca, MN
Sounds like could be a cat bite. Cat bites often get infected under the skin from the small punctures that often heal over the infection.
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 12:49 PM   #4
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
Read this thread if you get a chance:



http://www.deerforums.com/vbforums/s...light=thiamine
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 01:11 PM   #5
 
  Dec 2009
  Lawrence Kansas
This is an odd case considering its her front legs. I have been holding her each time I treat her and have inspected every inch. She doesnt have so much as a scratch, other than the recently discovered two holes in her jaw.

Day two we gave her BoSe, Vit b, and Baytril. Day three she was week so I started an IV to hydrate her. At that time I gave her 2cc Draxxine via IV.

She was just worked in february recieving Covexin8, Fuso, Copper, and cydectine.
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 02:07 PM   #6
 
  Dec 2009
  Lawrence Kansas
The area that looks like a bite is more pronounced now and has several holes.
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 02:29 PM   #7
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
I have asked a Deer DVM to contact you. I hope he does so.

Sounds like you are doing everything you possibly can- I am impressed.



That sure does look like a bite. I know that the Deer DVM that visited my doe gave her a long-lasting shot of Excede (for skin infections). But you seem to be "hitting" her hard with your medicine chest already.



For what it's worth, the Excede is also a long-lasting antibiotic, like Draxxin.
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 03:03 PM   #8
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
The Deer DVM called me back, I have his number and can give it to you of you send me an email: Lanasvet@hotmail.com



Best of luck,

lana
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 05:19 PM   #9
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Man something bit her........my guess would be snake....but i dont know your weather down there...ours has been unusually warm....everything is starting early this year.......good luck!!
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 05:44 PM   #10
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
Those holes look very similar to holes I used to find in my fawns over the course of several seasons...a near perfect cylindrical hole that were always the same distance apart. We would find them dead, then see these holes, usually one set maybe two, but mostly one set. Even the ones we found with the holes that were still alive we weren't able to save...so it seems that whatever it was, it was incredibly infectious. And it was always found on younger fawns.

I've never to this day have figured what was causing these holes.

Any of you remember me posting the questions regarding/asking what this could have been that was putting those holes in my fawns??? (3 years ago I think)

Those holes in your deer Brett look very very similar...just sayin. I know I haven't helped much if at all, but when I clicked on the pic and seen the close up...it rang bells. ????

Best of luck Brett!
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 07:01 PM   #11
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
Could these be deer mite bites that cause a Tularemia infection? Gentamycin to treat?



Brett: what advice were you given? How is she doing?
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Old Mar 14th 2012, 07:07 PM   #12
 
  May 2010
  nj
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Originally Posted by Sandridge Whitetails
Those holes look very similar to holes I used to find in my fawns over the course of several seasons...a near perfect cylindrical hole that were always the same distance apart. We would find them dead, then see these holes, usually one set maybe two, but mostly one set. Even the ones we found with the holes that were still alive we weren't able to save...so it seems that whatever it was, it was incredibly infectious. And it was always found on younger fawns.

I've never to this day have figured what was causing these holes.

Any of you remember me posting the questions regarding/asking what this could have been that was putting those holes in my fawns??? (3 years ago I think)

Those holes in your deer Brett look very very similar...just sayin. I know I haven't helped much if at all, but when I clicked on the pic and seen the close up...it rang bells. ????

Best of luck Brett!


you have already helped by this post, brett best of luck, PLEASE let all know what it is so no one has to go through what u n your deer are going through ,
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Old Mar 15th 2012, 06:58 AM   #13
 
  Dec 2009
  Lawrence Kansas
We treated her last nite with 2cc exceed and 4cc thiamine. Found her dead this morning. I have no clue what caused it and pretty much treated her for every aspect over the course of 6 days.
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Old Mar 15th 2012, 02:23 PM   #14
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
The Deer DVM with whom I spoke seemed to think she had sepsis... It saddens me that you lost her.
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Old Mar 15th 2012, 07:12 PM   #15
 
  Dec 2009
  Lawrence Kansas
Dr. Ables was a wealth of information, thank you.

My best guess is that she was bit by a varmit and we didnt see the signs until she was already septic. Unfortunately my first guess of an unkown injury was peniciline or exceed, yet we felt it was neuro and decided another path of treatment.

I think the answer is treat an unkown, as infection first, then rule every thing else out.

Very costly mistake.
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