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Old Jun 9th 2010, 12:38 PM   #1
 
  Jun 2010
  nanaimo
Alright, seeing as i have no previous experience with deer this is probably going to start a big war.... but lets just try and focus on saving my little deer.



A friend and I were riding our horses through a field just below our barn and we came across two baby deer, One already dead. There was a dead mother deer not too far away and we assumed they we're from her. We left the babies alone and waited approx 3 hours to see if they were maybe from a different deer, but no other Doe came. The field is very large and very wide open, so it was clear there was no mother deer.



We took the one baby home, she was weak and cold. She got better for a few days and now she's takin a turn for the worst without us having changed anything. She was really bouncy and hoppy and now she can't stand on her own, and she has trouble holding her head up.



She's reluctant to eat and it's sometimes quite a work out to get her to poop.. if at all. When she does poop they are dark in color and semi hard, However She's currently not pooping and we can't seem to get her to now.



We have her on a goat milk replacer (Best available here, Deer are considered extreme pests) Goats milk unflavored yogurt for some probiotics and Electrolytes to help rehydrate her and such.



Is there anything else i can be doing? Anything i should be feeding? Routines i should be doing? Amounts? times?



She also has Bumps on her nose? they are semi crusty, Someone said its caused from milk? similar to what human babies get? There's also what feels like small scabs on the inside of her ears, they don't appear to be sensitive and they come right off to the touch.



And yes, She's bottle fed, but she doesn't like to succle on the bottle, we often have to use a syringe to get her to eat.



Sorry this is Kind of scattered, just trying to fill you in as best as possible without missing anything.



Any advice would be great, Really looking to avoid having a casualty.



Thanks SO much.
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 12:58 PM   #2
 
  Jun 2010
  nanaimo
Really need some answers, shes getting worse and worse by the minute



Much appreciated
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 01:16 PM   #3
 
  Apr 2009
  Nowata, OK
Contact your local wildlife officer and turn her over to them. They will have the resources to rehab her if possible. Good luck
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 01:27 PM   #4
 
  Jun 2010
  nanaimo
Actually here deer are just pests, they want me to put her outside and let her die, they refuse to even look at her.
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 01:48 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
  Nowata, OK
call around and try to find someone local that can help. Check with some vets in the area
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 03:23 PM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
She sounds pretty sick.......you need to try and check with a vet and see what their advice is..........Unfortunately most atates do not want you to have a deer unless you are licensed.......there are rehabers for animals in most states and that might be your best bet to send her to one of them. they have a lot of experience with sick animals.
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 03:58 PM   #7
 
  Jun 2010
  Piqua, OH
I am not a pro with raising fawns...this is my first year doing it with healthy fawns, but I have tried in the past and managed to keep a fawn doomed to die for about 3 weeks before it died.



Also, I am not going to offer any advice as far as legality issues go...that's your responsibility and I'm not going to get involved in that part. I will offer you the best advice I can think of to keep that fawn alive. What you do with it after that is your business and I don't want any involvement in it



Because it's so weak, I'd feed 5 times a day until you've got it nursed back to health...then you can adjust the frequency. I'm assuming it's young. Feed 2oz per bottle (we use Dr. Browns bottles, available at Walmart and probably any store with a decent baby section. They're not cheap, but the fawns can suck down a lot of milk with minimal effort...we've found that standard baby bottles like Gerber bottles don't allow much formula to get sucked out. The deer can sit there sucking for a good 15 minutes and only get 1-2 oz out...whereas with the Dr. Browns, they can take down 1-2oz in 30 seconds if they're hungry enough. The only thing is... we generally cut a small slit across the center of the nipples that are included (a level 3 Dr. Browns nipple will suffice if you screw up the slits in the nipples).



The reason it's not pooping is most likely because its stomach is empty and thus...there's nothing for it to poop out.



As I mentioned...feed 5 times a day. This part is fun..trust me. LOL



6am - 10am - 2pm - 6pm - 10pm

Since you're using formula -- as I mentioned, feed 2oz at a time even if it appears to still be hungry. You don't want it to get bloated. You will adjust this as it gets older.



You may also want to add some pedialyte to the bottle to help give it some electrolytes.



I will be returning to work to feed our two fawns in a couple hours...I'll copy our chart we have there for feeding formula (times, amounts, frequency, etc) and I'll post it here when I get home around 10pm (EST).



Also don't forget to stimulate it to pee and poop whenever you feed it or toxins will build up in its body and it'll eventually die no matter how well you feed it.



As far as legality issues go, like I said...I won't offer any advice one way or another...but I will strongly recommend that you contact your local game warden and find out what kind of permits you need, etc so you don't risk any heavy fines for simply having a kind heart. Here in Ohio, I don't know what all is required to get your initial permit (I know we are supposed to be inspected once a year to make sure the facility is adequate and we have to keep some pretty specific records) but the permit itself is cheap. We have a commercial license and it's something like $50/yr...I think a personal license for a "pet" deer would be like $25 if it's even available.



Also, contacting a vet is definitely a good idea... we had a sick fawn last year that I was trying to raise and one of our local vets was willing to give us medication to try without even seeing the deer. We gave the symptoms, they came up with a treatment and said, "Come pick up your medication!" ...the advice was free and the medication was like $7.



Best of luck to ya!
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 06:02 PM   #8
 
  Jun 2010
  nanaimo
thanks a ton for the information im going to pick up some pedialyte asap. i've upped the amount of food she's supposed to be consuming as well. She's very very reluctant to have bowel movements now too, even with stimulation. Anything i can give her incase shes possibly backed up?



Our local wildlife Centre AND Veterinary centres (Vancouver Island, British Columbia) both tell me to put her outside and let her die. Deer are actually treated worse than rats and other pests here, they are trying to pass a law in order to have permission to start poisioning them off.



I'm obviously not about to let my deer die. She's still weak, but she's sleeping quite a bit now as opposed to before, she would just lay there with her eyes open. She appears to be hydrated, but i think she may have not been getting enough food before.



Hopefully i can get her back up to health, i want to keep her around or give her to a petting zoo later when she's a little bigger.



thanks so much for all the help!
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 06:13 PM   #9
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  Apr 2009
  Marquez, TX

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Best of luck to you. I hope there's a happy ending to this story
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 07:00 PM   #10
 
  Jun 2010
  Piqua, OH
I'm not sure on your new questions, never experienced a backed up fawn...every bowel problem I've dealt with involves the runs (dealing with that right now...but think I should have it under control within the next 24 hrs)...if she's eating and doesn't look bloated, I personally wouldn't worry so much about her not going to the bathroom...at least not for a day or two to let her digestive system catch up. One thing you may want to do...pick up some plain yogurt and add a spoonful to each of her bottles. This will help regulate her digestive tract some.



If you live out in the country, you could probably get away with keeping her around...she'd probably always stay nearby and would come back regularly, but wouldn't need to stay right around the house whereas if you have neighbors nearby...a petting zoo would be the best option if you could find one that would take her.



Btw... I totally forgot to copy the chart down tonight...I remembered when I was about halfway home. I'll try to get it for you tomorrow.
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 07:24 PM   #11
 
  Jun 2010
  nanaimo
ok i have unflavored goats milk yogurt, ill start adding it too her milk. She doesnt appear to be bloated, hopefully she's just leading up to the poop of the century. Her eyes are open now and shes eating more willingly and shes making her little bleating noises.



thanks so much for the help guys, hopefully she continues to improve!
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 08:43 PM   #12
 
  Jun 2010
  Piqua, OH
It definitely sounds like you're on the right track...please keep us updated...it'll be fun to follow along. Pics are great too
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 08:56 PM   #13
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Bryce.......go out to the woods and dig up some good dirt and this is something you want to give her daily......they will eat the dirt and it is good for their digestive system...very important!! Good Luck!!
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 10:23 PM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
  Tobin Lake, Saskatchewan
bryce is this a whitetail or a costal or Vancouver Island blacktail? deer farming was stopped about 9 years ago in BC.....once fawns get hypothermic it can be a chore to get them to thrive again
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Old Jun 9th 2010, 11:19 PM   #15
 
  Jun 2010
  nanaimo
Its a black tail deer.....i think? any specific differences between the different breeds?



Shes doing quite a bit better now, changing to warm milk helped to raise her body temperature and she seems to be eating alot more frequently and less reluctantly
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