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Old Nov 7th 2011, 01:07 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
I have a 3 year old doe who seems to be drooling and has a lot of nasal discharge.......she is not weezing and seems to be eating normal and is pooping pellets........it seems like she is puffy directly under her lower jaw....I just purchased this doe this past winter and with my accident I have not been able to spend as much time in the pens as normal.....this being said I am not sure if she is puffy under her lower jaw or if that is just her look.......anyhow, we did dart her with some nuflor the other day......is there anything anyone one would suggest for the next step to take with her........she is a good doe I would certainly hate to lose her. Any help would be appreciated!
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 01:24 PM   #2
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  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

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I know better than to jump in but oh well....here is my opinion of things to consider.

Since you seem to feel there is puffiness under the jaw and she is drooling but has no weezing I would consider a tooth issue. Maybe an infected tooth or some foreign debris caught between her tongue and jaw or under her tongue.

If it is debris or an injury to the tongue or mouth area you may have to dart to treat her since I don't think you have a drop chute. If you do have a drop chute it may still be easier to put her to sleep to check the mouth over really well.



If she sounds simlilar to a water bottle when she walks I would then consider the drooling and discharge from the nose as fluid associated with some lung worms and treat heavy doses of Ivormec Plus.



Just some initial knee jerk reactions. Now that right there was funny given the last day of postings you have to admit
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 01:47 PM   #3
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Thanks Roger........yeah you got me on the knee jerk thing......I do have a drop chute......but I did forget to mention we did dart her a week or so ago and could not get her to go down......I did not want to dart her with anymore tranquilizer so we didn't.....I was going to have her live bred at another farm......anyhow, it seems this all happened after that not sure if it is a coincidence or if it could be related........could this be rabies?? The only reason I ask is there was a rabid raccoon killed at my neighbors not all that far from my farm........now this drooling and nasal discharge has been going on for a week now.....if it were rabies and she was in the drooling stage I wouldn't think she would be acting as normal as she is by now........so if we do have to put her down what tranquilizer cocktails have so,e used on tough deer that don,t go down easy....it is weird she is this tough as she is bottle fed and not freaky at all.
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 02:39 PM   #4
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  Edgar, WI

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So when you darted her last time is it possible she bit her tongue or injured her tongue or mouth while stumbling around?

If it rabies you will know soon that it is.

I still say injury or maybe even lung worms. When deer are tranq'ed their ability to fight off crap is weakened. It is possible that she had some lung worm issues and while slowed by the drug last week they flourished inside of her and are now causing her issues. If that is the case DON'T dart her again as it will surely kill her. Run her in the chute and give high does of Ivormec Plus twice spaced about 3 or 4 days apart.

I don't give tranq cocktails out to folks often because everyone has their own thing and own ideas. But if I have a potential problem child I want down with no questions asked I don't dick around. I take a 5cc bottle of Telazol powder and add 4cc's of 100mg(large animal) Xylazine and then use a 3cc dual port dart. That will make it one quick knock down of a problem child or buck in rut. But again if she has the worms issue I would use the chute.



Note:

The views expressed are purely the novice opinion of some loser who raised deer for a while. I in no way mean to portray I have any clue to what the heck I am talking about. Your actions are your actions alone and I can't be held responsible for loss or injury associated with following the views of a two bit loser like myself.


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Old Nov 7th 2011, 03:24 PM   #5
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  Aug 2009
  Winnsboro, LA
Is she tender footed? Arch in her back? Trying to rule out EHD.- Jason
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 05:28 PM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
No she acts normal other than drooling and nasal discharge.......she very well as Roger stated above, may have bit her tongue or something when she was darted.....I hope that is the case......I don't think it is EHD as we nave been having hard frosts for a couple weeks now....well we shall soon find out I guess.......thanks for the advice guys! I really appreciate it!
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 06:13 PM   #7
 
  Apr 2009
  Polk, PA located in west central pa
She almost looks like someone when they have swollen glands puffy under her chin back towards her neck. I thought that from bein darted twice and not reversed on a cold nite she got run down and may have just got swollen glands. Other than bein puffy under her chin and drewling she looks and acts healthy. This was first time I ever seen this and before darting she was perfectly fine with no problems. Dennis, Just thought I would throw out my opinion and description of what I saw.
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Old Nov 7th 2011, 06:27 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
No problem.....just want to get her fixed........you know the caliber doe she is Virgil.......i sure don't want tomlose her!!
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 08:20 AM   #9
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
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Thanks Roger........yeah you got me on the knee jerk thing......I do have a drop chute......but I did forget to mention we did dart her a week or so ago and could not get her to go down......I did not want to dart her with anymore tranquilizer so we didn't.....I was going to have her live bred at another farm......anyhow, it seems this all happened after that not sure if it is a coincidence or if it could be related........could this be rabies?? The only reason I ask is there was a rabid raccoon killed at my neighbors not all that far from my farm........now this drooling and nasal discharge has been going on for a week now.....if it were rabies and she was in the drooling stage I wouldn't think she would be acting as normal as she is by now........so if we do have to put her down what tranquilizer cocktails have so,e used on tough deer that don,t go down easy....it is weird she is this tough as she is bottle fed and not freaky at all.


What was the ''cocktail'' mix that was used that would not take her down Dennis?
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 09:36 AM   #10
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Virgil can answer this one as he is the one I get to tranquilize my deer......Virgil?
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 04:57 PM   #11
 
  Apr 2009
  Polk, PA located in west central pa
We used two cc of triple strenght xylazine then gave her two more cc 15 min later cause the first dose did hardly anything. We still could not get her so we just left her go she never did go to sleep.

We usually mix 6 cc of triple strenght to a bottle of telozal for doe that are harder to put down but we ran out. We never darted her before but she is tame so we thought she would go right out without telozal.
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 05:04 PM   #12
 
  Oct 2011
  Milaca, MN
Roger, I really appreciate your posts. As a true novice myself I look to those more experienced gentlemen and ladies for advice. I am glad you are still willing to give it. I am also sorry you have to put in the disclaimer. I am guessing someone gave you a hard time. Just know this I and I am sure there are others can still learn from your experience, and we appreciate your input.



Now to the question about the doe. I am not one that knows anything. I just thought I would mention this. I had 2 does get a cold or nasal infection earlier this year. They were sneezing a lot and had a lot of nasal congestion. They had not been totally weaned so I gave them some medicated formula and the symptoms cleared after a couple days.
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 08:48 PM   #13
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  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

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Roger, I really appreciate your posts. As a true novice myself I look to those more experienced gentlemen and ladies for advice. I am glad you are still willing to give it. I am also sorry you have to put in the disclaimer. I am guessing someone gave you a hard time. Just know this I and I am sure there are others can still learn from your experience, and we appreciate your input.


Thank you for the nice words they are appreciated.



On a side note the post where someone describes how much Xylazine they used and no Telazol....... I would not recommend doing that.

Back in the old, old days before we had a drug like Telazol using just Xylazine was done because we simply had little other choice. But many deer were stressed for no reason and lost as a result.

Telazol is a great product and I would highly recommend everyone keep some on hand and use it for all deer tranq'ing procedures.

Some days things don't go correctly and we have to make the choice to walk away and try another day. Not having the proper drugs is one of those times. You wouldn't try using a 30/30 rifle shell in a .44Mag gun because you ran out of .44Mag shells. Don't try darting deer without the proper drugs on hand. It simply isn't worth risking the loss of an animal.

In this case ddwhitetails sounds like this doe is a pretty special caliber doe and he doesn't want to lose her. I would say waiting or paying extra for a bottle of Telazol is well worth it.



In my opinion.
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Old Nov 8th 2011, 10:35 PM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
I appreciate all the help and advice I have received here regarding my doe. This being said, I except full responsibility for our tranquilization efforts on her. I was out of telazol and Virgil worked with what we had. He did only what I asked him to do and I would be lost without his help. This all being said, I usually have all the drugs necessary at all times as my animals mean the world to me and I am blessed to have them. Their health and well being is of the upmost importance to me. With my unfortunate accident this past Spring i have not been able to keep up on everything as i usually do and to say its been a long summer is puttijg it mildly......Virgil did forget to mention above that the first time we darted her with the first dose the dart exploded upon contact so we had no idea of how much drug she received and this is why we followed up with a second dose.....anyhow, telozal is on order.....again thanks for all the help it is greatly appreciated...
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Old Nov 9th 2011, 09:36 AM   #15
 
  Apr 2009
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Did you get any reversal in her?

If you didn't could this be the result?
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