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Old Sep 8th 2014, 07:39 PM   #1
 
  Aug 2014
  Montgomery, AL


I'm just going to throw this out there and get some feedback. I'm a new guy to deer farming. We actually are scheduled to get our deer in February, but I am doing tons of research now before they arrive.


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Our biggest fear is EHD. It seems to be the hardest fight with so many different varriables. I searched the sight for threads on applying permethrin directly to the deer. I have seen it done with rubs but what do you think about using something like the "Vet Gun"?


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http://www.agrilabs.com/Products.asp...ProductUid=230


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I can see an issue with startling the deer with the impact and noise, but would it be much different than darting? Would once every 4 weeks be too much for them to handle? Perhaps they can be conditioned to the noise and impact.


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Let me know what you think as seasoned farmers.


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Thanks in advance.


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Old Sep 8th 2014, 07:47 PM   #2
 
  Jul 2009


1. I don't know if you could get enough of the permethrin on the deer to protect them without multiple hits...


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2. once every four weeks is not often enough by far...


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3. the deer won't "get used to" that....


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a "super soaker" water gun would work better....
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 08:15 PM   #3
 
  Feb 2011
  Pierre SD


I'd buy a guardian fogger before I got the first deer just to save you a lot of grief.* I lost over 50 in 10 days, probably around a*dozen yearling bucks that were some of my best yet. Do the math, one deer and its paid for. Since I've been fogging the last couple years I have had very few problems other then a couple deer that got blue tongue during a 3 day weekend when I was out of town and I assume the midges hatched during those couple days. I started fogging again and zero problems. If you have any questions, just shoot me a private message and I'd be glad to tell you what I've learned over the years about ehd. I wouldn't wish it on any ones herd.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 11:06 PM   #4
 
  Jan 2011
  Houston, Texas


I am very new to farming myself.* First I hope things continue to improve for us and we don't get hit again.* I've looked at the vet gun and I don't see any value in it.* I think you are better off with rope wicks and fogging.* If I did anything else it would be try the fly repellent ear tags.* We lost 1/3 but considering 90% got sick as bad as it hurts I shouldn't complain.* We fog religiously and have since May using the guardian fogger.* We also vaccinated. We also have rope wicks that we have had up for about the same time that kept us from getting antler infections but we still got hit by midges.* I know the wicks kills a lot because the pipes look like you sprinkled pepper on them with all the midges and small gnats. We have strong winds 9 out of 10 days so as soon as you fog a new batch is blown in.* I've been trying to add on for months now so I could get my deer out of my south pen as I knew it was a weakness and redo my south perimeter fence line (I'm double fenced) so that it is strong enough to hold up shade cloth with our ridiculous winds.* No one can tell me how far midges travel but I can tell you I've got deer 1/4 mile from any moisture that still got EHD.* Once I get added on, the whole 3/4 mile south property line will have 6-8' shade cloth to spray with chemicals on because 90% of my problem is coming from my neighbors property as we have a prevailing south wind.* Doubt it will help much but it doesn't cost more than 1 lost deer in the scheme of things and hopefully it will block a little wind to allow the fog to settle across pens better.* Most of the deer that we lost had a host of things working against them.* They come from our south pen near our neighbors, got a late second vaccine shot because our barn wasn't finished and they had about 15x20 thicket they all laid in so they were harder to watch and dart,* they didn't have the drip ropes.* I don't believe anything will prevent EHD if it is in your area but if you do everything you can keep the majority of your deer alive.* When we discovered it 2 dropped dead in hours, I moved everyone out of my south pen and 1 the next day that was the biggest prettiest doe I owned and she didn't have any signs even after she died so we started running them ALL through the barn.* I think if 1 gets it you're better off doctoring the entire herd immediately and repeatedly until no one is showing any signs.* Have a lot more meds on hand than you think you could ever need and have a handling facility ready to go well in advance.* We didn't plan on doctoring the whole herd but once they start dropping that changes.
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Old Sep 8th 2014, 11:07 PM   #5
 
  Jan 2011
  Houston, Texas
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I'd buy a guardian fogger before I got the first deer just to save you a lot of grief.* I lost over 50 in 10 days, probably around a*dozen yearling bucks that were some of my best yet. Do the math, one deer and its paid for. Since I've been fogging the last couple years I have had very few problems other then a couple deer that got blue tongue during a 3 day weekend when I was out of town and I assume the midges hatched during those couple days. I started fogging again and zero problems. If you have any questions, just shoot me a private message and I'd be glad to tell you what I've learned over the years about ehd. I wouldn't wish it on any ones herd.




What is your fogging recipe?
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Old Sep 9th 2014, 03:41 AM   #6
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  Feb 2011
  Blair County, PA

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I use a pump garden sprayer for doong my deer. Very quiet yet I can spray 15' away. Works well. I usually walk in the pen with a bucket of treats and the wand and hit them as much as I can. The sprayer I bought was $10 at tractor supply
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Old Sep 9th 2014, 08:22 AM   #7
 
  Feb 2011
  Glen Elder, KS


i know i need to do something, is someone available for layout, mix to use, schedule, etc..? i would like to get something up an running by next season. *sdbigbucks your message room is full. *thanks, tom l 785 545 3664
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Old Sep 9th 2014, 08:30 AM   #8
 
  Aug 2014
  Montgomery, AL


Thanks for the feedback. You responded like i exected you would. We WILL be fogging using the guardian ULV fogger and possibly even using the rubs. But I was looking for even another weapon agains the fly. This one seems a bit like going after a bear with a .22 - it would probably do more harm than good.*
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Old Sep 9th 2014, 09:48 AM   #9
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Consider trying to come up with an idea that incorporates using a drench pit the animals are required to negotiate to get from feed to water in a pinch point. I think it is possible to make this work. An area of stone and gravel would have to be on each side to clean thier hooves before they enter the pit. It would also be necessary to make it easily draneable for cleaning. You will never kill all the midges before they bight your deer. The only effective solution is to make them an unbightable meal. People everywhere fog thier brains out, have expensive high maintenance misting systems and still get smacked by EHD. If a repellant solution is applied regularly directly to the animal and absorbed into the skin, they won't get bit. Consider fogging your camp sight in Canada then going outside at night with your clothes off. I promise the Mosquitos will be all over you. There are also a few helpful systemics that have some repellent qualities that can be added to drinking water.
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Old Sep 9th 2014, 09:50 AM   #10
 
  Feb 2011
  Pierre SD


I use the permonone which is a permethrin PBO oil base that I ordered from Adapco who I bought the fogger from. I think the website is myadapco.com. I also mix in Tempo ultra SC liquid. I mix half of the small bottle that costs around $39. You have to use a drill and some type of high speed mixer because it's like mixing oil and water kind of. It does mix and after it gets mixed it stays mixed pretty well to a point. Tempo has a long residual that is safe enough to be used in your house but deadly on most bugs. I figure it cant hurt to have it coated on all the cattails and plants that the fog hits. I have a huge swamp at my farm that's *about 600 acres and when it drys down its basically a mud slick toward the end of summer, perfect midge breeding area. I have years where I'll find over a hundred dead deer around it. Last year I found a dead buck early august and started fogging around it about every 4 days. It was the first time in 30 years that we never lost any wild deer other then the one buck to EHD and people all around me were loosing deer. My farm has around 1,000 wild deer that winter on it most stay year round so I'm confident fogging took care of the ehd problem out there as well as my breeding farm. I buy the 35 gallon drum for around $1,000 or so and it*lasts a long time and I am*probably an "over" fogger.*
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Old Sep 9th 2014, 07:33 PM   #11
 
  Jan 2011
  Houston, Texas
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I use the permonone which is a permethrin PBO oil base that I ordered from Adapco who I bought the fogger from. I think the website is myadapco.com. I also mix in Tempo ultra SC liquid. I mix half of the small bottle that costs around $39. You have to use a drill and some type of high speed mixer because it's like mixing oil and water kind of. It does mix and after it gets mixed it stays mixed pretty well to a point. Tempo has a long residual that is safe enough to be used in your house but deadly on most bugs. I figure it cant hurt to have it coated on all the cattails and plants that the fog hits. I have a huge swamp at my farm that's *about 600 acres and when it drys down its basically a mud slick toward the end of summer, perfect midge breeding area. I have years where I'll find over a hundred dead deer around it. Last year I found a dead buck early august and started fogging around it about every 4 days. It was the first time in 30 years that we never lost any wild deer other then the one buck to EHD and people all around me were loosing deer. My farm has around 1,000 wild deer that winter on it most stay year round so I'm confident fogging took care of the ehd problem out there as well as my breeding farm. I buy the 35 gallon drum for around $1,000 or so and it*lasts a long time and I am*probably an "over" fogger.*




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I don't have near that much acreage and we fog about 2 gallons a night lol.* I've considered the Tempo Ultra SC as well but hadn't gotten around to trying it. Are you getting the Temp from them as well? And the 35gal drum is that the PermX 31% permethrin 66% PBO?* or is it another ratio.. That's A LOT better than buying by the gallon!* We got 5 gallons of First Watch the other day when we ordered to spray any wet spots, I forget what it was but it's a completely different chemical so hopefully it helps around the wet areas.* It was $15/gallon so cheapest thing we've gotten yet to try.
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