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Old Jan 24th 2012, 06:21 PM   #1
 
  Jan 2012
  Dodd City, TX
I am a new member to the Deer Forums and wanted to comment on a supplement that pathfinder has. He had a post on the forums looking for a few farms to try his product. I first heard of this product from Larry after we did some business on Whitetail Exchange last summer. I have never been one to believe in some miracle cure for an animal. I have lived and worked around animals my whole life. My dad owned a dairy farm and he put me to work feeding baby calves when I turned seven. Over the past 24 years I have seen a lot of sick animals. Almost every time you see an animal get so sick that they can't get up, they seem to die. I started raising deer four years and decided to try Larry's stuff after I talked with him. I wanted to comment on Larry's supplement because I feel there really is something to it. I had a few cases where I can't explain how the deer lived, and have to hand it to Larry. I really feel like this supplement may have saved them.

One case I had was a doe that got really sick. I had just received the first bucket of his supplement a few days before I noticed her feeling bad. This doe was fairly calm but wouldn't let me get closer than 15 feet normally. She had been nursing a fawn and I noticed she had lost a little weight. She quit nursing and got really sick on me. When I walked up to her she didn't get up. She got so sick she couldn't stand up. I picked her up and helped her to water and feed. I gave her an antibiotic and pretty much wrote her off. I have never seen any animal get that sick and weak ever live. I put some of Larry's stuff in her feed and left. When I came back that afternoon I expected her to be dead. I went to her and she was still alive. I helped her around again and figured she would die that night. Next morning she was still alive and once again I helped her to some feed and water. This went on for a few days and when she was able to get up on her own I noticed her at the feed trough eating every bit of Larry's stuff that she could. It has been around seven months since I found her in that bad of shape and she is still alive, gained all her weight back, was able to finish raising her fawn, and bred her this past fall.

Another case I have seen was a fawn with a snake bite. I noticed one of my fawns not looking so good one day. When I got a little closer to him I noticed his nose and mouth didn't look right. I knocked him out to take a closer look and doctor him. His top lip was so bad that you could look though this nose and see the bottom of his jaw. He had a huge hole in this top jaw. He had been bitten by a snake and it had deteriorated a hole in this top jaw. This fawn was being nursed by a doe and was only about a month and half old. I gave him a shot and woke him up thinking there is no hope for him. I isolated him from the other deer, ground up some feed and added some of Larry's stuff to it. I expected him to live maybe a day or two at the very most. When I came back to check him the next day, he had eaten all of Larry's stuff and a little feed. Over the next few days I kept plenty of ground up feed, water, and this supplement for him. He was weaned at only a month and a half, snake bit, and practically dead. This fawn now is healthy and still living with nubs on his head.

I can't explain the doe and fawn I had, or how either one of them lived. The only thing I was doing any different from normal was feeding them Larry's stuff. This supplement is just a top dressing for your feed. I believe it has some natural plant extracts or something that helps in the healing and immune systems of the deer. I really think there is something to this product. I can't explain to you how bad the two deer really were, but they are both alive and healthy now. I plan on continuing to use this product and see how it helps me during fawning season. Thanks Larry, you're on to something here.



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Old Jan 25th 2012, 07:09 AM   #2
 
  Nov 2010
  Frankfort MI
I love these kind of post! thanks for the info.
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Old Jan 25th 2012, 07:26 AM   #3
 
  Feb 2010
  Snead, Alabama
Dustin,



Couple of questions: Where do you get Larry's Stuff? Is it a Probiotic? How big is it and what's the price per bucket?
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Old Jan 25th 2012, 12:42 PM   #4
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
Dustin - Did you give that snake bit fawn antibiotics as well?

I have seen more than one deer come back from the grips of certain death by just giving them antibiotics/penicillin.

If you gave both, the supplement as well as antibiotics, how would one know for sure which was responsible for the cure of those deer.

Dustin - I am not ''dissin'' on your opinion, or the product you speak of. Just trying to make sure we are making sure here, for your benefit, as well as the readers.
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Old Jan 25th 2012, 02:47 PM   #5
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  Jun 2010
  Fogelsville, PA

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Great story and outcome!!"



I've heard some of them Directly from Larry along with some others.



Larry's a great guy and hasn't steered us wrong yet.



We haven't tried his supplement yet, but when it becomes publicly available, we'll certainly be on the waiting list!!!!!
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Old Jan 25th 2012, 03:25 PM   #6
 
  Jan 2012
  Dodd City, TX
I'm not sure what all is in his product, he told me that it is an all natural supplement that helps their immune system and the healing process of the animals if they get hurt. Larry has a post on the second page of the Health and Wellness Forum. His user name is pathfinder. In that post he listed his phone number. If you can call him he could give you a better explanation of what all is in it and what he has seen it do. He would also be able to discuss prices of the product better than I could. Sorry, I just don't what to tell you the wrong information on it.



I did give the fawn a shot of LA 200 along with feeding his supplement. I cannot prove which is responsible for him living. This fawn was in really bad shape. I wished I would have taken some pictures of him to better explain how he looked. I firmly believe that his product did help keep this fawn alive. This is my honest opinion. I really believed I would find him dead with in a day or so. He could barely eat. He had to lick it up out of the feed trough to get it down. This fawn was only 40-50 days old. His nose was swelled up twice the size it normally is and had a hole in his top jaw that you could see though. To answer your question, I can't prove it was the stuff but truly believe it saved his life.



I have between 60-70 deer. Since I have been feeding this supplement I have not lost one adult deer to any sickness. I'm only giving some examples of what I have seen so far using this product. I plan on continuing to try it through this next fawning season to see how it works for me. Just really believe he is on to something with this supplement.



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Old Jan 25th 2012, 05:44 PM   #7
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
Dustin - I wish you nothing but continued success with 0 loss of life in your herd. Hope this guy Larry has found something that works when normal care does not, cause we all know...deer die. Just drug out a pure typical 190 inch 3 yr old the day before yesterday.

Good luck Dustin...and thanks for sharing.
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Old Jan 25th 2012, 07:26 PM   #8
 
  May 2009
  Show-Me Whitetails
I am not someone who jumps on every supplement that comes along, but after talking to Larry in Sept., I started topdressing my feed with his supplement. All I can say at this point is that my deer have not had any health issues and are in great shape. Considering the time of year and the swings in weather, I have not had any runny eyes or noses. I am the biggest skeptic there is--so far Larrys formula seems to be a real plus. I will give an honest oppinion in a few more months. Darren
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Old Jan 26th 2012, 03:26 AM   #9
 
  Nov 2010
  Frankfort MI
what is the cost per deer per day?
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Old Jan 26th 2012, 04:30 AM   #10
 
  Jan 2012
  Dodd City, TX
Give Larry a call, he has been testing it for several years and could break the cost better down better than I can.



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Old Jan 26th 2012, 06:26 AM   #11
 
  Dec 2011
  Mercersburg, PA
First and formost I want to thank the people I consider now to be my friends for trusting me with their deer and the testing of this, I have a few other things that I have been working on for other problems that seems to be working great! To answer some questions there is 4 different types of bacteria with 4 different functions plus a fast reacting cell builder for the DNA

and RNA cells also increasing cells that kill any pathogen in the blood such

as poisons, virises, etc. Test have shown it boost the emmune system by as

much as 50% and so many other things, lets just say I have 2 fawns in the

house that were born Oct 22 - conception Apr.15. My deer are my pets so their health mean everything to me! I don't sell! So the development of things

to keep them alive is very important. I have been raising deer since 98 and

still have my original herd! I have spent over $8,000. to test this on the farms

I sent to and believe me that was hard for someone who can hardly afford

to rub two pennys together. cold hard facts this is not being done for the

farmer but the deer!! They don't kill themselves - we kill them! I could tell you

so many things that I have seen this do not only in animals but people. take

it from someone who has 65% use of their heart, lung disease, a heart attack

and cancer and takes no meds or seen a doctor in over 3 years since started

taking this everyday myself. All I am trying to find out is what all it will and will not do? Just for your info this was on a farm where the owner only believes in Micotil nothing else! but wanted to try it, said it was the best year

he's ever had in over 20yrs till he ran out and didn't let me know, 3wks after

running out he lost 5 out 8 of his Alpine buck fawns to EHD the other 3 were just hanging on he direct fed it to them, still alive today (he used antibiotics

on all 8 ) he also takes it everyday, the doctors have never been able to get

his blood pressure down, 3 days after taking this dropped 10 points! The bottom line is I have never said anything about selling this or marketing it!

I just want to know the results. Something might just be best kept to yourself

and people that believe in you? don't know ? well thanks for letting me ramble

on! larry
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Old Jan 26th 2012, 07:18 PM   #12
 
  Apr 2009
  Claremore, Ok
Larry where can we purchase the product
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Old Jan 27th 2012, 04:14 AM   #13
 
  Dec 2011
  Mercersburg, PA
LJ If I decide to sell this it won't be until I get the results from the 12 farms

that is testing this for me. I don't want to sell something that will not have

an impact on the animal. you will never save all of them with some product

if this was true everything would die of old age! the only thing you can do

is condition the body to fight off things. there is only one person that can

promise everlasting life! people that know me know that I am a nut when it

comes to my deer. I average about 70 hrs a week researching things, I have

a lab that deals with human diseases doing some of my test on EHD and others. for a long time I have been trying to figure out why it was deer and not sheep, goats, dogs, cat, or even human that seem to die from this and

one thing keep showing up, so I focused on try to fix that and it has seemed to have helped. myself and other show signs every year of EHD but don't seem to lose any? I had one girl that bad that everywhere she laid was a plate size puddle of blood that was being discharged from her rear and a little

out of her nose I started hand feeding her as much as she could eat of this

and within 36 hrs it stopped, I do know that it will stop internal hemmorage

but to what extent i'm not sure? I use to suffer with pneumonia every year

but I have not had a case of it for years,I have seen major velvet damage

heal over in about 3 days, I mean the list just keeps going on. Is it this? I just can't be sure! So until I can prove at least 90% of this I don't want to market it. when I have the feed back on the 12 farms that it on then I will decide. the farms are in Pa, Mo, La, Fla, Ky and Tx. but thanks for your interest. larry
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Old Jan 27th 2012, 04:18 AM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
  Fombell PA
Sounds too good to be true......hope it Turns out to be everything you are hoping for Larry.....I will be one of the first on the list to buy!!
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Old Feb 6th 2012, 02:14 PM   #15
 
  Jul 2009
I to have been using the product and the fawns are doing great on it as well as the does, I used this to condition the before AI and live breeding, they all have been calm and are in good body condition .



I had a fawn last fall that had all 4 feet swollen and the vet said it was EHD but I was giving her the product only no Med's and in 2 days her feet had gone back to the normal size and she is also doing fine now. I had also a fawn blind in 1 eye and she can now see and she also had no Med's.



I just really like the stuff even if there are only a few that do , if this can help out in any case why not give it a chance, when we spend for things that say they do work and don't, why not if it helps the deer I am going to use it.
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