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Old Mar 12th 2012, 08:12 AM   #31
 
  Jul 2009
I like the idea it reminds me of a horse product called Red Cell, its not enough probiotic in my opinion to do the job but it could make another alternative to ad to my probiotic antler supplement. Thanks for the info.
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Old Mar 12th 2012, 09:45 AM   #32
 
  Dec 2011
  Mercersburg, PA
#1 red cell is a liquid and the only ingredients that are the same in both products is vitamin D3 and A. like I said this all natural. let me give you some info on herbs: herbs that build and fortify blood are goldenseal root, eshinacea root, oregon grape,bayberry, yellow dock root, cat's claw, barberry, dandelion root, devil's claw cayenne just to name a few. The best to build red and white cells is Amla (indian gooseberry) The cell builder that is in this is made in Switzerland by a nutritionist who doe's work for the UK since they are not allowed to use antibiotics in their feed. Now about me I spent many years in the US Army as a Pathfinder with 5th Special Forces Group in the early 70's part of the survival training was learning the plant life in the countries we were in and how they could save your life, such as stopping hemorrhage, see we were dropped in 1 or 2 into an area and sometimes never extracted for a month. so when it comes to plants and what they can do, I kinda know what I'm talking about. so if you think that horse red cell and not enough probiolic is doing what these people are saying

more power to you.
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Old Mar 12th 2012, 04:36 PM   #33
 
  Jul 2009
Larry in no way shape or form was I comparing your product to Red Cell. I was only saying that red cell is supposed to do the same thing with the blood cells in horses. Didn't mean to offend you and thanks for your service to our country. I just feel that there is no such thing as a cure all. I do think it could make a good a additive to a high end probiotic. Is it ok to feed to bred does?
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Old Mar 13th 2012, 07:04 AM   #34
 
  Jul 2009
I have used this product to condition my does and they had 100% and I have been using this through out the season to top dress with and they all are doing fine and we are 100% Happy with this and if you are worried about it then I would it then there are quite a few people on this already and would be willing to talk to anyone with questions.

I have been in the industry for going on 5 years and have tried other products and so far am very pleased with this one.

My wife raises fawns for other farmers and the fawns are all doing great and we also have Typhoon yearlings, Full House 5 year old , fawns from our Typhoon yearlings, Texas Tea yearlings, bred with GD Excellerator and SC Super Star as well we are excited for this years fawns, Checked them yesterday and the girls have the fawns kicking.



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Old Apr 4th 2012, 05:23 PM   #35
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Here are some pictures of Dillon. Dillon is one of Larry's bucks who injured his head pretty bad. The first picture is one week after the injury. The second picture is two weeks later. Pretty amazing!!! Just thought I'd share this with everyone!!
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Old Apr 7th 2012, 06:57 AM   #36
 
  Feb 2010
  Sardinia, Ohio
Hi Everyone

Just wanted to let everyone know we have been using Larry's product for a little over 2 months now. We have 19 deer on our property and all are extremely healthy. We also have 9 racoons that my kids have raised since babies that are very tame. We have an albino and normal colored male that had very cloudy eyes for about a 5 week period. Just for the heck of it I told my daughter to mix a little of Larry's formula in with the feed and in a matter of 3 days the cloudiness has completely gone. I have no idea what caused this or what cured this, but I have talked to several people about this product and everyone has nothing but good things to say about it . I also wanted to mention that several people are using this product for themselves, we as a family have also been using it. I have a 13 year old son that has asthma, and after about 2 months on this product I do believe there has been an improvement with him. I have also noticed an improvement in my own ability to smell. I have not been able to smell for years with sinus problems and over the last couple of weeks I have noticed a change. I guess the best thing about this product has been since we started using it there has been no sickness in my herd or my family.
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Old Apr 8th 2012, 05:10 AM   #37
 
  Feb 2011
  Pierre SD
Larry, How do I order your product?? Whats the rate to feed and the cost per deer per, year, etc.? I'm lucky to say that so far after 3 years I have never had a deer of mine so much as sniffle or get sick of any kind other then EHD last year. I'm vaccinating for it this year and would like to add your product also, sounds like everyone has nothing but good things to say about pathfinder.



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Old Apr 8th 2012, 05:16 AM   #38
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Cody, You can get Larry @ his e-mail it's lsheffield@merkleinc.com



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Old Apr 17th 2012, 01:59 AM   #39
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We had a 2011 Doe Fawn who became very lethargic and didn't want to get up. She stopped hanging with the other does. We got some BulletProof in her and within a day or two, she was back to normal. We didn't give her anything other than Larry's product. We are very happy with the results. Just another observation.
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Old Apr 17th 2012, 05:34 PM   #40
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Larry sent me some current pictures of Dillon today. This was the buck in the pictures I posted previously in this thread. It's unbelievable the mass he has especially considering the injury he had.
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Old Apr 27th 2012, 12:50 AM   #41
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Here are some more pictures of Dillon. I'd say he's recovered quite nicely!!
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Old Apr 27th 2012, 03:10 AM   #42
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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I would say so... Man i hope those things dont start pushing against each other and split his skull again. Mass i guess so. Glad he got turned back around and healthy again.
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Old Apr 27th 2012, 06:13 PM   #43
 
  Feb 2010
  Sardinia, Ohio
Larry

Congratulations on Dillon. He is starting off Fantastic, with mass like that it will sure be interesting to see how he finishes out. By the way Bulletproof seems to be the answer to poisen oak. My family and I have had it regularly for the past 11 years. We have been in the woods more this spring than ever and no poisen oak. Our back yard is covered with it, and we usually have some of it on us from spring till fall. My whole family has been in it several times so far and none of us have had any sign of it.

Thanks again Larry for a wonderful product.
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Old May 5th 2012, 08:34 AM   #44
 
  Apr 2012
  Gravios Mills, MO
I have been doing some research on side effects of herbs and some of them contain some very serious side effects. Now of course there are some of you that are trying these herbal supplements but we don’t know the long term effects. It just seems to me that we are taking a pretty big risk using some of these products considering the investments we have made. Here are a few examples of actual documented cases and one of many of the web sites that carry warnings. I would highly recommend doing your own research. Here is one of many web sites I found.

http://www.personalhealthzone.com/herbsafety.html

Oregon grape contains berberine and side effects can result from high dosages including gastrointestinal discomfort, dyspnea, lowered blood pressure, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac damage. Berberine usage should be avoided in pregnancy, due to potential for causing uterine contractions and miscarriage, and in jaundiced neonates because of its bilirubin displacement properties.



Devil's Claw has been associated with documented reports of potential interactions with warfarin. Avoid during pregnancy. Mild gastrointestinal distress at higher dosages.

- Newall CA, Anderson LA, Phillipson JD. Herbal Medicines: A guide for Health-care Professionals.London: The Pharmaceutical Press, 1996:296.26.



Goldenseal is a potent plant and must be used with care. Do not take on a daily basis for more than a week at a time. In high doses, goldenseal can irritate the skin, mouth, throat, and vagina. It may cause nausea and diarrhea. If any of these develop, stop taking immediately.

- Murray, M. -- The Pill Book Guide to Natural Medicines: Vitamins, Minerals, Nutritional Supplements, Herbs, and Other Natural Products. -- Bantam, 2002. 541, 681. Do not use during pregnancy; it may stimulate the uterus. Do not use goldenseal without consulting a physician if you have had heart disease, diabetes, glaucoma, a stroke, or high blood pressure. It stimulates the heart muscle, and the result is increased blood pressure. Do not give goldenseal to children under two. Start with small doses for older children and adults.

- Murray, M. -- The Pill Book Guide to Natural Medicines: Vitamins, Minerals, Nutritional Supplements, Herbs, and Other Natural Products. -- Bantam, 2002. 541, 681.



Echinacea purpurea might influence fetal development in humans also, because they may interfere with embrional angiogenesis, and should not be recommended for pregnant women.

- Folia Histochem Cytobiol. 2007;45 Suppl 1:S35-9.



Yellow dock may include excessive urination, nausea, diarrhea, or vomiting, skin eruptions, kidney damage (blood in urine, decreased urine flow, swelling of hands and feet). Excessive use of yellow dock may lead to laxative-like side effects such as stomach cramping and diarrhea. Yellow dock also contains oxalic acid, an acidic phytochemical. Oxalic acid reportedly can interfere with normal calcium levels in the blood, leading to complications with blood coagulation. Yellow dock has caused dermatitis in livestock that have eaten it. There have been several cases of animal deaths from oxalate poisoning. - Panciera RJ; Martin T; Burrows GE; Taylor DS; Rice LE. Acute oxalate poisoning attributable to ingestion of curly dock (Rumex crispus) in sheep. J Am Vet Med Assoc. 1990. 196(12):1981.

Cat's claw (Uncaria tomentosa and Uncaria guianesis) is a medicinal plant from the Amazon commonly used to treat disorders such as arthritis, gastritis and osteoarthritis. The mechanism of cat's claw appears to be as an inhibitor of TNFalpha and antioxidant. Understanding the processes in osteoarthritis may facilitate and clarify the potential role of cat's claw as a complementary therapy to assist in the reduction of pro-inflammatory mediators and effectors. Use caution if you are using anti-inflammatory medications.

- Complement Ther Clin Pract. 2007 Feb;13(1):25-8. Epub 2006 Dec 13. -- Cat's claw: an Amazonian vine decreases inflammation in osteoarthritis. -- Hardin SR.

Not recommended for children, women who are pregnant, breastfeeding or are trying to become pregnant.

- Murray, M. -- The Pill Book Guide to Natural Medicines: Vitamins, Minerals, Nutritional Supplements, Herbs, and Other Natural Products. -- Bantam, 2002. 586.



Barberry (Berberis vulgaris) Side-effects can result from high dosages and may include gastrointestinal discomfort, dyspnea, lowered blood pressure, flu-like symptoms, and cardiac damage. Berberine usage should be avoided in pregnancy, due to potential for causing uterine contractions and miscarriage, and in jaundiced neonates because of its bilirubin displacement properties.

- Birdsall TC, Kelly GS. -- Berberine: Therapeutic potential of an alkaloid found in several medicinal plants. -- Altern Med Rev 1997;2:94-103.



Indian gooseberry seems safe for most people when consumed in amounts found in foods. There isn’t enough information to know if it is safe for in medicinal amounts, which are larger.

Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of Indian gooseberry during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.
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Old May 5th 2012, 09:29 AM   #45
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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Smart word's as far as people using anything without knowing what it is,what it does and what it can do. But did you do any research what these products can do to keep our deer healthy?? After all thats what this is all about! Remember reguardless of what it is. Larry's product, A&E Products, Shock Effect Product's The health should be first and anything else is a just a plus!!!
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