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Old Jan 6th 2010, 06:35 PM   #1
 
  Jul 2009
Does anyone use a Pfizer drug called Domitor(medetomidine) to tranqualize deer?? It reverses with Antisedan.



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Old Jan 7th 2010, 04:49 AM   #2
 
  Jul 2009
  Raymondville, TX
I don't know of anybody that uses it yet but it is supposed to act similar to xylazine but won't cause as many heart problems in very excited deer. Of course if you use a Telezol and xylazine cocktail you avoid most of those problems any way.



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Old Jan 7th 2010, 03:38 PM   #3
 
  Jul 2009
I probably should of said that I have several years experience using Domitor....



I'm a retired state Game Warden and permitted fawn rehabber, and I currently manage a 600 acre private deer enclosure. I've used Domitor, Xylazine, Telazol, Succostrin, Ketamine, Butorphenol on deer darting. NOT all at once



My vet got me to using Domitor several years ago to tranq injured deer. I had a nine month old buck get a massive urinary tract blockage and infection. We put him down three times in four days with Domitor to work on him. Ended up with a direct feed from bladder thru a hole in belly to pee out of. The hole heals up and stops urine flow so we have to put him under every three to nine months. He's five years old now, 200+ pounds. We've put him under prolly 25 times with Domitor with NO ill effects ever. Pretty good inadvertant test of the drug.



I darted an injured five year old buck at the farm two days ago. He has an infected hoof due to a puncture. I hit him with .7 cc of 10mg/ml Domitor, 7mg of drug. He was down and out in ten minutes. Out for 2.5 hours while I worked on him, snoring like an old man. I gave him 5cc of Antisedan reversal and he stood up in 3 1/2 minutes. Thirty minutes later you couldn't tell he had been drugged.



I use a 10mg/ml concentration from ZooPharm in Laramie Wy, costs $400 per 10 ml bottle. Usually 5mg will tranq a 200 pound buck in ten minutes if you don't bother him after the hit. So thats 20 hits for $400=$20/hit.



The reversal is Antisedan 1mg/ml. Dosage is 1mg per every 2 mg of Domitor used. It completely reverses the Domitor. Every deer of any size I'd had stand in less than six minutes, no matter how long they were out.



I had to dart a wild three year old buck that had barbed wire in his antlers, trailing eight fert of it...a sure death sentence. I didn't have any reversal on hand when I darted him. I thought he would come out in an hour or so. NOT. Five hours later he was still snoring. OOPS. I called my vet, he found some Antisedan, I drove and got it. Four minutes after giving it the buck stood and walked off. He's a healthy five year old now.



The Domitor is in the same family as Xylanine but is 10x more receptor specific than Xylazine is, thus negating the bad side effects of Xylazine, which I personally think sometimes affects the heart and causes illness and death in deer. I've seen several killed with it. NOT good when dealing with an expensive animal.



FawnMommy, I have used Detomidne on deer and had bad reaction to it. I do NOT reccomend it for deer. It is not the same as Medetomidne.



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Old Jan 7th 2010, 04:20 PM   #4
 
  Aug 2009
  Ames, Iowa
dtala, what is the cost of the Antisedan??
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Old Jan 7th 2010, 04:35 PM   #5
 
  Jul 2009
I'm paying about $100 per 10 ml bottle. I wish ZooPharm would make a 10mg/ml mix of the Antisedan also. Phizers is 1mg/ml.



Only downside to this drug/reversal I've found is the cost. But I don't dart many deer in a year so it's not a big problem. If I was darting expensive deer I wouldn't use anything else, same for any deer I thought a lot of.



I could see where if you had to dart a lot of deer every year the cost might be too high. I guess it depends on how much your deer are worth to you... or what your budget is.



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Old Jan 7th 2010, 04:38 PM   #6
 
  Jul 2009
FawnMommy, we "kinda" missed it too. My vet thought it would act the same as they are very closely related. NOT. The sedated bucks body temp went way up, we barely got the procedure done to reverse the dose in time. Live and learn.



btw, I've learned more on this site than by every other source of imformation put together.



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Old Jan 7th 2010, 05:10 PM   #7
 
  Jul 2009
I TRY to learn something new every day. I'm not always successful.



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Old Jan 7th 2010, 05:59 PM   #8
 
  Apr 2009
  Valley Mills Texas
dtala, Thanks for the information, have you ever used this drug on any Ai work or collection on bucks?
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Old Jan 7th 2010, 06:03 PM   #9
 
  Jul 2009
Rainer, no I haven't. We don't do any "hands on" except to doctor an injured deer. Most of my darting has involved moving other deer or my rescue deer.



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Old Jan 7th 2010, 06:12 PM   #10
 
  Apr 2009
  Valley Mills Texas
Thanks, will look into it we have a few more draws to do will see if it works.
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Old Jan 7th 2010, 06:33 PM   #11
 
  Mar 2009
  Blairstown, LA
Cost is the reason I do not use domitor. With the number of tranqs I do a year, it would cost me a fortune. I am curious if anyone out there has any experience with domitor on exotics like blackbuck, oryx, lechewe?
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Old Jan 7th 2010, 07:00 PM   #12
 
  Jul 2009
Scott, I've darted two blackbuck, using same ml/pound as I do on deer. I needed a higher dose of Domitor as they didn't go under as well as the deer. Both were succesfully moved though.



I tried Domitor on Sika deer with poor results, as in NO sedation.



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Old Jan 8th 2010, 04:08 AM   #13
 
  Mar 2009
  Blairstown, LA
WOW! Sika usually are easy to sedate with xylazine. I am surprised with your domitor experience. Blackbucks on the other hand are very difficult to sedate and is seems the dosage rate per individual animal varies.



Im curious if you have had any experiences where you had to deliver additional amounts of the chemical to an animal that did not succumb from the initial injection.



Oh yea, any experiences with fallow deer? I find fallow bucks near or during the rut to be the most difficult to sedate.
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Old Jan 8th 2010, 04:34 AM   #14
 
  Jul 2009
I darted two sika deer with normal whitetail doses without ANY effect. What dosage do you use with Xylazine on sika??? I used succostrin on a dozen sikas last year with good results. We misjudged one dose and almost lost that one. I really don't like that stuff.



Scott, I've had to use additional amounts on a coupla animals. One was a year old doe that I rescued as a fawn. She'd been badly hurt by dogs and in a fence pretty bad. She was pretty wild. I hit her with usual dose with little effect...thats where ya start to doubt that the drug got into her hit her again fifteen minutes later, drunk acting but not down, had to hand stick with more her to get her loaded. Renamed her the Iron Maiden!!!!



No experience with darting fallow deer. I hear they are the most difficult to sedate.



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