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Old Feb 4th 2011, 06:40 AM   #1
 
  Apr 2009
I have been using Xylazine (Rompun) for the past 5 years without any problems. I have this one buck that it doesn't work on. He gets drowsy but will never go down and quickly comes to life when I get in close to him. Doesn't matter how much I give him. I have tried this on three different occasions. I am in the process of selling him and have someone interested. I will need to traq. him and need something else to get the job done. Does anyone have any suggestions? Has anyone else that this problem before?
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Old Feb 4th 2011, 06:54 AM   #2
 
  May 2010
  Hazleton, PA
Do you mix the Xylazine with Telazol?
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Old Feb 4th 2011, 07:59 AM   #3
 
  Oct 2010
  Pickerington, Ohio
You need to mix Telazol with the Xylazine. Telazol is a muscle relaxer. This works most of the time. Although, if you have a buck that has a very high metabolism, then you still might have some difficulty putting him down.



I had a shooter buck this year that had a high metabolism. I had to give him some extra Telazol but it still didn't put him all the way out because he would fight it off. He just kept walking around and eventually would wear it off. It can be very frustrating sometimes.
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Old Feb 4th 2011, 08:20 AM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
I have never mixed anything with the Xylazine. What % is the mix?



Morton- That's what's gonig on. He walks it off and never goes down. It starts to wear off after a while.
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Old Feb 4th 2011, 10:20 AM   #5
 
  Jul 2009
  Laredo,Texas
We use 5cc of Xylazine (333 strength) ,to a bottle of Telazol......thats in Texas.Some people add 4cc others 6cc ....5cc's works good for me. I then dart it with 1.25 cc's mix and wait 30 minutes to reverse with 2cc's. Good Luck !!!
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Old Feb 4th 2011, 12:44 PM   #6
 
  May 2010
  Hazleton, PA
The ratio of the mixture depends on your needs. You will use one 5cc bottle of powdered Telazol to make your sedation solution. (When you buy it, it comes in a little glass bottle in powder form...very convenient). The potency of the mixture will depend on how much xylazine you mix into that bottle of Telazol. The more Xylazine you use the more you dilute the effects of the Telazol. For example: a mixture of 3cc Xylazine to one bottle of Telazol would be more potent than a mixture of 5cc of Xylazine to one bottle of Telazol. Once you decide which potency you want to use, you must then decide how much of the solution you need for that particular animal.



As far as giving you an exact mixture ratio and cc required to take down your deer, I couldn't say. I think everyone can agree that no two deer are the same when it comes to sedation and sometimes you have one that simply needs a stronger and/or heavier dose. I usually determine this based upon body size, age, disposition and prior knowledge of the effects of previous attempts to sedate the deer. Even once you determine how much you use, you may find yourself having to "top" the deer off with additional sedative. Scott Heinrich posts on here alot and he has tons of helpful information on this subject, even topping off. He previously sent around a schedule for a Safe Capture Course that you might be interested in. I have sedated alot of deer and did it all on trial and error, with the help of others on this website including Mira Vista, Scott and others. I already scheduled myself to attend one of these courses and I recommend it for you as well.





Hope this information was helpful.



Daniel

www.hollowroadwhitetails.com





p.s. It also helps to determine what strength Xylazine you are using, I know of at least two....333 and 100 strength. 333 is more potent that 100.
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Old Feb 6th 2011, 04:05 AM   #7
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
If you are going to discuss drugs for chemical capture please try to use mg of drug per kg of body weight.There is so many variants in concentration & volume avaliable.Suggesting 5cc of this, into a bottle of that ,is a recipe for disaster,when you don't know how many mg's are in the 5cc's & how many mg's are in the bottle. Telazol (zoletil) is an anesthetic , not a tranquilliser ,zolazepam is added to prevent the undesirable effects of using cyclohexanes. Any one using these chemicals on animals should become qualified through the courses readily available & establish a professional relationship with a good vet.Cheers Sharkey
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Old Feb 6th 2011, 09:50 AM   #8
 
  Jun 2009
  Fort Scott, KS 66701
What mixing ratio do you use if the xylazine is 100 strength not 333?

Thanks.
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Old Feb 6th 2011, 03:32 PM   #9
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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I use 6 to 1 ratio and i darted 2 fawns sat with 1/2cc and i darted our yearling today to cut antlers and do tag work with 1 1/2 cc. They were all sleepin like babies.
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Old Feb 6th 2011, 04:09 PM   #10
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
How many mg to the kg of xylazine, tiletamine-zolazepam,is that? How & what do you reverse with? How do you keep records? Thanks Sharkey
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Old Feb 7th 2011, 01:08 AM   #11
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
Sorry? Where have I referred to ml ? I thought I was referring to mg (total amount of drug regardless of volume).Post script . The reason I like this forum so much is how every one helps each other.It is not my agenda to bring people down, rather to spare them from the mistakes,that others,including myself have made.Cheers Sharkey
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Old Feb 7th 2011, 02:52 AM   #12
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

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I think most of us dumb deer farmers learn by the cc or ml.Alot of folks learn from older deer farmers and never have a chance to take a safe capture class or learn to much about amount of drug per volume and such. I know myself anyway learned from a guy thats been darting for over 20 years and does most of the darting for the walk farm and has done i would say pushing a thousand deer.If you asked him a question like that.....

Well lets just say i would love to hear the answer.
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Old Feb 7th 2011, 04:04 AM   #13
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
Four Seasons I hope you never ment I implied any one on this forum was dumb,the reason for being here is to help each other & believe me I have taken so much from here I am indebted.There is no such thing as a dumb question,please everyone be wise enough to keep asking,I certainly will.I did not mean to appear so harsh( cultural differences,perhaps? )if some have taken offence at my responses I apologise, my first concern is animal welfare(Actually human welfare is first,then animal welfare).Let us develop together a culture of safety & animal welfare that will see our industry grow world wide.It is my impression there is several members here with a huge amount of practical experience with many species,listen to their wisdom,complemented by your professional vet & I'm sure you'll be right.Lets be honest though if people if people can,t tell the difference between mg & ml ??????????. Sharkey
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Old Feb 7th 2011, 04:46 AM   #14
 
  Nov 2010
  Texas
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Originally Posted by sharkey
If you are going to discuss drugs for chemical capture please try to use mg of drug per kg of body weight.There is so many variants in concentration & volume avaliable.Suggesting 5cc of this, into a bottle of that ,is a recipe for disaster,when you don't know how many mg's are in the 5cc's & how many mg's are in the bottle. Telazol (zoletil) is an anesthetic , not a tranquilliser ,zolazepam is added to prevent the undesirable effects of using cyclohexanes. Any one using these chemicals on animals should become qualified through the courses readily available & establish a professional relationship with a good vet.Cheers Sharkey




I couldn't agree with you more Sharkey!!!!!
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Old Feb 7th 2011, 05:05 AM   #15
 
  Dec 2010
  Sydney, Australia
Hey Capchaman ,love your work.,If you want a sabbatical in OZ contact me.Can't promise you money.I can promise you Sambar & Rusa. Do you need to meet some real deer ? There is also some reasearch on red deer in Sth Queensland.Problem is Sambar will displace them in 20 years anyway.Cheers Sharkey
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