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Old Feb 4th 2012, 02:14 PM   #1
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  May 2009
  Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
A friend of mine is having a major problem..one by one his deer are becoming paralyzed in the back end..One has died and two more are down..They are all big and healthy and they go down suddenly with no signs prior..Fully alert and look like there is nothing at all wrong until they try to stand up..then you can see their back end down...any help would be appreciated ..
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Old Feb 4th 2012, 03:29 PM   #2
 
  Feb 2010
  Snead, Alabama
Has anyone ever heard or experienced E.P.M? Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis is carried by opossum's and they get it from eating rotten meat. They are the primary host. The end host is any Equine that ingest a little feces while grazing. I just lost my 13 year old guard mule "Spencer" to this parasite. It is a neorological condition that paralysis in the rear as explained by Richard. I wonder if this effects deer?
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Old Feb 4th 2012, 03:38 PM   #3
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  Jul 2009
  Deer Park, Alabama

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Sounds like white muscle disease. You can try a dose of bo-se and vitamin e. It won't hurt.
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Old Feb 4th 2012, 04:05 PM   #4
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
Don't know if my deer had the same thing, but it's close enough to talk about it.

I went to the pen one day and a 4 yr old let me get way to close without getting up. So, I of course pressed the issue to see what was up. His reaction was this: He strained heavily to get up, made it as far as just getting his front end up, then sunk back down. I got closer. His next attempt got him to all fours. He walked extremely labored and wobbly for about 7 or 8 yards before he went down, back end first.

Well, I thought he tweeked his back somehow, or one of the other bucks in the pen tweeked it for him. That was in the evening just before dark. Went down next morning to treat him and he was dead.

A week later in another pen, I noticed a buck didn't come to feed. Went lookin for him and when I found him and approached him, he struggled a bit to his feet, stood kinda shakin, and was havin trouble with his balance. After 30 seconds or so he straightened right up and out of it, walked over to the water and started drinking with the rest of the deer. Tweeked my own back the next day, so wife had to do chores. Asked her if that buck showed up, she said no. Next morning went down to treat him, he was dead. I was just gonna dart him with Draxin for lack of knowing anything else I could do, and see how he responded.

Another 10 days or so goes by, and another buck, in the same pen as the 2nd buck that died, is standing around having a serious balance problem, and was also ''wild eyed''.

Went right home and got the dart gun and meds. I gave my normal dose of drugs when I have a sick deer down - wormer, BoSe, vita-ject, C&D anti-toxin, banamine, and gave him a heavy dose of Pen G per Scott's advice as well as my vet's. He came right out of it and is standing healthy in the pen today. I was told also that I should have given some Dex to him as well, but didn't have any at the time.

It appeared to me that all 3 bucks had the same thing. And towards the end, just prior to death they would/could appear to have back problems, but earlier on, the symtoms were more of a serious balance problem, a bit shakey, and wild eyed!

Don't know if this is the same thing, but thought I would share my story in case it was. I know whatever it was in my deer, it took them pretty quick.

Best of luck!

Upon reading Awesome Antlers' post below, it rung a bell with me that we may have given him some Thiamine as well, but not positive. Wife thinks she remembers going to the vet that day and picking some up.
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Old Feb 4th 2012, 05:46 PM   #5
 
  Apr 2009
  IA / USA
I would also get some Thiamine into him. Don't believe it could hurt a thing, it might be a thiamine deficiency. Do a Thiame deficency search, I know there has been other discussions on this here. Good luck.
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Old Feb 5th 2012, 07:11 AM   #6
 
  Apr 2009
  Chambersburg, Pa
Like Mark, not sure if this is same thing but we lost a doe a few weeks ago with same symptoms, I opened her up and she had enteritis (infected lower intestines) and vet felt it was caused by clostridium. Backup buck in same pen started to show same symptoms and vet suggested Excede and Dura Pen. Didn"t want to dart or handle at that point so Len our nutritionist suggested Bio Moss to help remove toxins and buck slowly recovered. Keeping whole herd on Bio Moss for awhile. Since our vet showed me how to layback ribcage to view organs, rumen, intestines ect. undisturbed, I have learned alot more from deaths.



Agree that thiamine can't hurt.
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Old Feb 5th 2012, 08:36 AM   #7
 
  Aug 2010
  Illinois
I vaccinated my Rosa with a Clostiridum perfigens (sp?) vaccine last summer. Dr. Shipley sent it to me from the Univ. of Illinois, along with the EHD vaccines. Wouldn't this protect our deer from such potential illness if exposed to the Clostridium bacteria?



Just hoping so...



See also: http://www.oie.int/doc/ged/D512.PDF



It worries me that some of the deer that are in adjacent pens to my deer's pen, are pooping weird looking pellets that are all connected with some kind of mucusy membrane. The pellets come out looking like a "string of (poop) pearls." very strange.



Has anyone ever seen this before?
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Old Feb 5th 2012, 09:05 AM   #8
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  Sep 2010
  Indiana

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Richard and Mark,



just curious had these deer with the symptoms been vaccinated with covexin/clostridium with in the last year?



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Old Feb 5th 2012, 11:53 AM   #9
 
  May 2009
  Northwest Illinois
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Richard and Mark,



just curious had these deer with the symptoms been vaccinated with covexin/clostridium with in the last year?



Jerrilee Cave, DVM


Jerrilee - Without being home right now, I can't be sure, but I think this that you are talking about ''covexin/clostridium'' is the same thing as what is marked on my bottle at home in the fridg as ''Alpha 7''. It's a white liquid that is given in 2cc doses, no matter the size of the deer, fawn or adult.

At any rate, if this is the same stuff, and I believe it is - no, it definitely was NOT given within the last year, but it's likely, yet not for sure cause I'm not home to view records, that these deer did receive a dose, just not within the last year, as you had asked.
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Old Feb 5th 2012, 02:39 PM   #10
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  May 2009
  Tuscaloosa, Alabama

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
No these deer have not..
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Old Feb 6th 2012, 03:05 AM   #11
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  Jun 2010
  Dubois, PA

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I know a LOT of guys lost deer the last couple months due to clostridium. What their vets are telling them is, You can vaccinate to prevent it but every deer still has it in their system. Its when they are under alot of stress, it triggers it. Once one starts showing symptoms, it can be transferred to other deer. Feed changes, weather changes, moving..... I know one farmer slone lost more than 30,000 dollars worth of deer in one week. He moved one in from oklahoma, she was stressed and triggered the clostridium, then it started spreading. Good Luck
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Old Feb 6th 2012, 03:10 AM   #12
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  Jun 2010
  Dubois, PA

Cervid: Whitetails
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lanasvet
I vaccinated my Rosa with a Clostiridum perfigens (sp?) vaccine last summer. Dr. Shipley sent it to me from the Univ. of Illinois, along with the EHD vaccines. Wouldn't this protect our deer from such potential illness if exposed to the Clostridium bacteria?



Just hoping so...



See also: http://www.oie.int/doc/ged/D512.PDF



It worries me that some of the deer that are in adjacent pens to my deer's pen, are pooping weird looking pellets that are all connected with some kind of mucusy membrane. The pellets come out looking like a "string of (poop) pearls." very strange.



Has anyone ever seen this before?




You can vaccinate for it, but it is still in every deer from what the vets are saying. And the white mucusy membrane is a sign of clostridium, so I would keep a close eye on them. The important thing is to keep them stress free when treating for this.
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Old Feb 6th 2012, 05:39 AM   #13
 
  Jul 2009
  Raymondville, TX
The paralysis that you are describing makes me think it is Clostridium perfringes type A. Most of the 7 and 8 way shots take care of types b,c, and d but not A. When I have had fawns with this I usualy treat with Amoxil and chloramphenicol. The membrane is a sign of all of the clostridial infections.
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Old Feb 6th 2012, 07:42 AM   #14
 
  Apr 2009
  pa
I was always under the assumption that clostridia perfingens were found in the soil? and wet ground ,like the crazy wet summer we had here made it worse,that being said i lime my pens every year ,very heavy! Never had a problem yet! Knock on wood! mitch P and robbie petersen are very knowledgable on this subject!



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Old Feb 6th 2012, 08:34 AM   #15
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  Oct 2009
  upstate ny

Cervid: Whitetail Deer
When the last time you saw robbie on this site???? Lost some great info there!!!
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