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Old Mar 27th 2011, 07:52 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2009
  Carrollton, MO
Some guys have told me they vaccinate fawns when they are pulled from the mother and tagged in the first days of life. Others say they wait until they are weaned. What are the pros and cons? The last two years I've waited until the fawn is weaned, but as we all know, an animal won't get the full benefit of a vaccine until it has had a booster.



I had the chance to talk to a seasoned veteranarian last fall about this. The problem with waiting until weaning is that there is no coverage for the fawn for those three months of nursing, except from passive immunity through the mother's milk. The other problem is that weaned fawns will need to be darted or put through the chute again for their first booster.



This was what was news to me...if you decide to give the initial vaccination when the fawn is just a few days old, the passive immunity from the colostrum might very well override the effectiveness of the vaccine, making their booster shot at weaning time basically their first effective shot. The vet did say that it was not necessary to give the first booster shot in the normal 2-4 weeks, but there would be diminished coverage at some point prior to the booster shot. Therefore, if the vaccine is for pneumonia, for example, there probably isn't much danger during the summer months for that diminished coverage; however, if EHD is the concern, diminished coverage moving into the last few weeks prior to weaning could be very important.



My big question is whether everyone thinks that a fawn gets a proper auto-immune response to the initial vaccination if he is just days old, or does the passive immunity from his mother actually cause the shot to be ineffective? Has anyone ever pulled blood to measure the titer levels on fawns when still nursing?



One thing I learned last summer was that the thought of colostrum being the only passive immunity is totally wrong. We were all taught that the molecules found in colostrum were only made within the first couple of days of lactation, and that the fawn's gut could only digest it in the first couple of days, due to the size of the molecules. Last year I learned first hand that there is some immunity passed througout the various stages of lactation-not just in the first few days. I had two fawns from different does that automatically weaned themselves by escaping the pens they were in and finding their way into other pens with other deer. They were close enough to my scheduled weaning date that I figured that it wasn't worth moving them back and causing stress on them and the others they were with. They were on feed, after all, and were pretty big. A few weeks later I ran them through the chute, vaccinated them, and sent them back out with other weaned fawns. Neither of them were alive just a few weeks after that, while all the other fawns, who had been through the same vaccination protocol (but weaned on time) remained in good health. I believe fawns receive immunity from their mother's milk until they are weaned for this reason.
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Old Mar 28th 2011, 04:06 AM   #2
 
  Jul 2009
  Raymondville, TX
I do not believe that the shots given within a few days of birth provide much immunity at all. That being said, I still give them to my deer. Vaccines are cheap and it won't hurt them so I give them 3 shots. Once at birth, once at weaning and then a booster a month later. At birth I give them a much smaller dose than the full dose.



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Old Mar 28th 2011, 04:23 AM   #3
 
  Apr 2009
  Carrollton, MO
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I do not believe that the shots given within a few days of birth provide much immunity at all. That being said, I still give them to my deer. Vaccines are cheap and it won't hurt them so I give them 3 shots. Once at birth, once at weaning and then a booster a month later. At birth I give them a much smaller dose than the full dose.



Russ


It has also been said that any animal, regardless of size or age, needs 2 ml of whatever vaccine you're giving to warrant a response.
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Old Mar 28th 2011, 08:18 AM   #4
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

Cervid: mule deer,whitetail,elk,goats,bighorn & stone sheep & Alaskan dahl sheep
I also believe shots given to the fawns will not have much effect for disease prevention. I was hit by ecoli last year and will try to get better immunity through the mothers milk system. I have given Scour-Guard 4KC to the does in hopes this will provide the immunity to the fawns. The shots are not labeled for deer but then what is. No does have shown any response to the 4KC shots. I will not know if this does help till I fawn. I will also give oral products to the fawns within 10 hours of birth to help build a better immune response to the Ecoli. I've done all I can to help stop this problem from coming back this fawning season.



My current belief is any problem you have in your fawns with a identified disease problem should be helped with a better immunity provided through the mothers first milk as your first line of defense.
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Old Mar 28th 2011, 08:50 AM   #5
 
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Jack

Last week we vaccinated the does with the scour-guard 4kc amoung others for the fawns. I wasnt planning on using it, but my vet really emphasized how well this vaccine is working for others.
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Old Mar 28th 2011, 09:01 AM   #6
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Todd,

Good to know others have tried this product and it has worked for others. Thanks.



Every farm is different but when you have a identified disease problem in your fawns I believe you should try something that has worked to prevent that disease from coming back in the next years fawn crop. I'm sure most cattle vaccines will work on deer.
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Old Mar 28th 2011, 07:27 PM   #7
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  Feb 2011
  Blair County, PA

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ok heres a question what vaccines do you give at birth
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Old Jun 18th 2021, 07:46 AM   #8
 
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Neither of them were alive just a few weeks after that, while all the other fawns, who had been through the same vaccination protocol (but weaned on time) remained in good health. I believe fawns receive immunity from their mother's milk until they are weaned for this reason.
I have two fawns that the mother's died. They are alive and well since May 27th. Boy and girl. We gave them colostrum. Boy developed pneumonia, and I treated him with infant dose of amoxicillin. Cured. Now girl has a vaginal discharge that is crusty in nature. I'm thinking we accidently introduced poop into her vagina when first learning how to wipe and feed. NOW that isn't an issue, but they are growing like weeds. Just the crusty vaginal discharge.
Any ideas?
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