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Old Jun 21st 2009, 01:04 PM   #1
 
  Apr 2009
  Ewing, Illinois
I thought I would post this for others who may have the same problem.

A month ago I ran my yearling does through the chute to give them their EHD vaccination. All went smooth except I noticed one doe(MY FAVORITE!) had a little blood on her leg as she ran out of the barn. I looked all over the chute and didn't see any blood. I went out to the pen I had put them in (which was 4 foot fescue), and she wasn't limping so I just let it go. Two days later I went out to feed and she was not OK. Limping with a very damaged front leg.

I put her down and this is what I found.

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I was not happy with myself. I trimmed the hide that was just hanging loose and cleaned the wound with some peroxide. I was going to stitch the hide back in place, but I had waited two days and it was all dried up. I gave her 2 cc of Draxxin took the pictures and reversed her. TO say the least I was very disappointed with myself and embarrassed to post these pictures when it happened. 4 days later she had about stopped limping and was dooing a great job keeping it clean and the flies away. I gave her 1.5cc of Draxxin @ day 5 because I was afraid infection would set in and honestly I felt I wasn't doing enough to help. She has continued to heal and last night when I was taking some pictures of the bucks she came out of the tall grass and let me get a good look at her. Matt is very happy now!! If you zoom in on the pictures you will see that she is healing quite good.

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I was very concerned that the hide would never grow back and I would have problems this winter with frost bite or something, but as you can see it is closing up very well. Durring this whole process I wanted to do more, but I kept reading old posts that said deer are tough leave wounds be and let them take care of it themselves. Make sure flies are not a problem and let them do it. I just want to thank all of you that give your advice and experience here on deerfarmer. I will continue to watch her and be on here with more pictures



Thanks,
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 01:41 PM   #2
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  Apr 2009
  Madill, Oklahoma

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Matt, I have a cut leg buck right now. If you searched the old furoms you would have seen it. It was way worse than yours, but is slowly healing. On mine you could see the bone for about 5 inches. Yours looks like she is going to be fine.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 01:45 PM   #3
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dang, that hurts dont care who you are!!! Jay can you post update Pic? Matt Glad it better,,i always felt if they could lick it it sure made it better, just my thinking.and flys dont invade, Dc
 
Old Jun 21st 2009, 01:55 PM   #4
 
  Apr 2009
  Ewing, Illinois
Thanks Reed and DC

Reed I read the post of your buck about 5000 times when I was trying to figure out what to do. I was going to wrap it, but you didn't have luck with it so I didn't. Thanks again for sharing yours. If you have any updated pictures please share them.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 02:20 PM   #5
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  Apr 2009
  Vaughn, MT 59487

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Seems like we are having leg problems this year also. Ran deer through for EHD shots and saw a yearling with a rip high around front leg. Darted him as the skin was down around his knee when I saw it. Pulled it up a good eight inches and stiched him back in place. Gave antibotics and said a Hail Mary. Looked at him today and he is all healed up. It's always nice when it works out.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 03:18 PM   #6
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  Apr 2009
  Edgar, WI

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Matt, really glad to hear and see she is doing well.



Things brings up some questions for me.



1. Matt, Jack, and anyone else with this type of leg injury, what kind of chute exactly do you have?

2. Were the injuries in the same place and same style of injury on your does?



I am wondering if there is a similar issue with a particular design of a chute. This is not to pick on any specific chute or maker. I am only looking for some silent but dangerous flaw that may be affecting more people than we know.



A few years ago we had a yearling buck break his front leg during TB testing and that was in a drop chute as well. I am a poor contributor though as I don't recall which leg (left or right).

We have "The Deer Handler" by Delclayna and it is about 7 or 8 years old. Again this is not to slam the maker, I happen to love our chute.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 03:55 PM   #7
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  Apr 2009
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My injury was a complete tear around the front right leg at the arm pit. It was the first tear leg injury I had and I have put over two hundred throught the drop chute the last two times I used it. I think it was just one of those things as I can't see any place it would have got caught on something. Mine is a home made chute.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 04:54 PM   #8
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  Apr 2009
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Roger, I too have heard some bad stories about the PAPA handler.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 05:07 PM   #9
 
  Jun 2009
  Bristol, Florida
I've seen this type of injury before. What happens is when they are in the chute and they kinda get hunched up their rear hoof can catch that front leg and skin it. Only thing to do is hold down their back and not let the rear legs kick.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 05:29 PM   #10
 
  Apr 2009
  Ewing, Illinois
I also have a home made chute!?? I have a few ideas where it happened.



1. The last tunnel isn't mounted to the chute so I can slide it out of the way to get to the back of the deer. When she ran through it was the first time it had ever moved.

2. When she went into the chute she didn't just walk she jumped and hit the exit door very hard. In the excitement I dropped the floor and threw slide door open to get to her head and put a hood on her. Trying to remember I think her legs were still up when I slid the door open.

3. I have a 3 foot man door that they run through to get out of the barn and into the pens. When she left the chute she hit the corner of the door very hard. Its a cheap pole barn door so the metal edge bent a little.



To sum it all up;

There was very little blood in the chute. I basically would not have found it if I hadn't known where her leg was. I think when I opened the sliding door her leg got caught between the door and the side of the chute. I think this was a small cut that left hide hanging. Then when I dropped her and she hit the barn door the hide got caught in the metal edge of the door and ripped the hide down. That was when I saw the flash of red that got me looking in the first place.



How to stop this from happening again;

Let the guy lifting the side gate to put the back press on the deer do his job before I get all excited and rip the door open and another deers leg!! This was only the 4th time we had run deer through this system, and the first time with the yearling's.

If I can get my head out of my butt and calm down it will help! You got to love rookie deer farmers.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 05:35 PM   #11
 
  Apr 2009
  Ewing, Illinois
Gator Bait might be right! She is one of my calmest does and you know how they seam to get the most worked up. I though she was going to flip over in the chute before we could get her calmed down and the hood on her!

Maybe it isn't my fault after all!??
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 05:48 PM   #12
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  Edgar, WI

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Ok then I guess if were dealing with homemade chutes that most likely don't have the same exact design then it was just fluke luck.

I will have to keep an eye on the idea of the back legs kicking forward enough to hurt the front leg. Thanks for that info.
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Old Jun 21st 2009, 07:57 PM   #13
 
  Apr 2009
  Nowata, OK
Roger and Jay Don, I have a Papa handler that is about four years old and have never had any type of injuries to any of the deer just the "fools" working the chute. We did have a doe stick her leg through a slot on the left side of the chute but my help noticed it before it became an issue for her or me. Thankfully. It has been a great tool for working our deer. I have used the Momma and a hand full of homemades and for the money the Papa is the best. (in my opinion) We have a new Papa in Texas at the ranch and I really to not care for it. They have changed the AI gates and it is not user friendly like the one at my house but is still not too bad. Matt sorry to hear about your does. A friend of mine had some does running over each other and cutting each other with their hooves. Some had very nasty cuts. Good luck
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Old Jun 22nd 2009, 03:23 AM   #14
 
  Jun 2009
  Bristol, Florida
I've used several different cradle's and my favorite is made by Maplehurst. You can check them out at www.texaswildlifeservices.com .

This is the one we have at our facility here in Florida. Good luck fellas.
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Old Jun 22nd 2009, 04:50 AM   #15
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  Apr 2009
  Madill, Oklahoma

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MP, We got ours out of Minnasota about six years ago. It is one of the "originals". I wish they would just stick with those, and make replacment parts. I think the first ones were the best, maybe because thats the one we have???????? Knock on wood, We have ran over 600 deer through ours with NO wrecks. One doe fawn flipped unpside down this year, but be the size I am I just grabbed her butt and flipped her back over. It may be "crew" that makes our go so good. They have been looking for me to give them a "plug" on here for a long time. So, I run the chute, my Mom runs the tunnels and calls out numbers, Heath(brother-in-law) catches heads and works the back of chute, Dad handles the rooms and red room-all the sorting, and my wife and kids fill needles and sometimes the little one gives shots. So we have done this for six years, and we know our place, maybe thats how it runs so smooth.
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