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Old Feb 12th 2015, 10:41 AM   #16
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
Unacceptable amendments will mean the bill is moved to caucus and dead.
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Old Feb 16th 2015, 10:56 PM   #17
 
  Dec 2014
  Brazil, Indiana
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This is the smartest move in reality. Sucks but like Jack says, They thing..and are..that they are getting something from us then they will not push so hard to be rid of our industry. Not right maybe but sometimes fighting fire with fire helps. Tim said years ago that Oklahoma works with their high fence hunts/hunters, How nice would that be huh




Hope you don't mind my 2 cents worth...Here's something to keep in mind...if you agree to a $50/head fee, what is stopping them from upping that to say $5k/head???


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The best thing to do when trying to outsmart an opponent is think the situation over from their point of view and figure out how you would do it...Incrementalism is what they are setting you up for with that $50/head fee...Mark my word, that fee won't stay there long....If they are truly out to close everyone down, they will use that as an opportunity and a tool to price everyone out of business if they can't regulate them out...


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If it were me, I would hold their feet to the fire and fight them like no tomorrow on both the $2k fee, hunting licenses, and this bogus head-fee...You have a judge on record as saying that the deer are private property....Right there, that proves no jurisdiction for a license...Just food for thought...
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 04:56 AM   #18
 
  Nov 2010
  Lanesboro, Minnesota


I agree. *By giving them this fee, you gave them permission to do this fee. *This can be used as a precedent in court.


We don't pay the DNR for our farmed hogs or turkeys. *Those are also classified as wildlife species.


None of those groups have to provide inventory sheets on their numbers or report death losses or test for diseases on death.


Time to draw a line in the sand.


The Iowa DNR also tried to say they had authority over land quarantines and found out in court they didn't.*


Give them an inch, and they will try to take a mile.
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 05:50 AM   #19
 
  Jul 2009


Legislative action over rule court rulings.* The agencies that will be governing our industry as we move forward will need to be compensated for their cost occurred.* That is where the fees come from.* Its a long way from over but we are doing everything we can to keep the preserves in Indiana in business and in a place to be competitive in the market.* We defeated a couple amendments yesterday that was added where one would have required owners to pay a $10,000 fine for each escaped animal.* Its a very difficult and delicate issue in Indiana that we have fought for over 10 yrs.*
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 06:20 AM   #20
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN
Rodney,

Do the fees go to the DNR or the Boah?
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 06:32 AM   #21
 
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As I said theres a long way to go but I dont see this ending without both BOAH and DNR both


playing a role.
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 09:23 AM   #22
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  Apr 2014
  Greensburg, IN
States generally keep hunting license fees very close to those of neighboring states. The state understands that hunting license fees that are higher than the neighbors will hurt them while competing for out of state hunters. In my opinion these fees will put Indiana's preserves at a disadvantage to neighboring states preserves and long term strangle both producers in Indiana and the preserves considering more and more borders are closing. I believe that we as Indiana deer farmers should follow Ohio's model and reciprocate the same fee structure and regulations on hunting ranches as our next door neighbor. There was a time when it was felt that having a sunset in our bill was the only hope to pass it. The profit margins in the deer industry are getting tighter and tighter. The cost of raising deer for hunting ranches is something to consider. Is there going to be room for the DNR to confiscate these fees long term? Changing any of the structure of the fees will be tough after engrossment. We only have one chance to get this right. Let's do it.
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 11:51 AM   #23
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  Greensburg, IN
HB1453 passed through commitee this morning. The 3rd reading did not have amendments #1 & #2.
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 11:53 AM   #24
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A reasonable yearly licensing fee to Ag should be all anyone has to pay. What do breeders in your state pay now for fees? Preserves shouldn't be any different.
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Old Feb 17th 2015, 11:01 PM   #25
 
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Legislative action over rule court rulings.* The agencies that will be governing our industry as we move forward will need to be compensated for their cost occurred.* That is where the fees come from.* Its a long way from over but we are doing everything we can to keep the preserves in Indiana in business and in a place to be competitive in the market.* We defeated a couple amendments yesterday that was added where one would have required owners to pay a $10,000 fine for each escaped animal.* Its a very difficult and delicate issue in Indiana that we have fought for over 10 yrs.*




With all due respect, I am reading this as you believe it is up to industry to pay for regulatory agencies that are already funded by public tax dollars? I'm not trying to fan the flame here, but I do not see the logic in that statement. If that is the case, they should fund themselves just like any other regulatory agency rather than putting it on the tab of those they regulate...If I have read that wrong, then please disregard...


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Respectfully, I hope something is agreed upon that is beneficial for the industry...It sounds like there has been a lot of hard work and time invested by those who are fighting for the industry....It would be really funny if someone would send a sympathy card to Sabalow when favorable legislation gets passed...
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Old Feb 18th 2015, 04:55 AM   #26
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Hope you don't mind my 2 cents worth...Here's something to keep in mind...if you agree to a $50/head fee, what is stopping them from upping that to say $5k/head???


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The best thing to do when trying to outsmart an opponent is think the situation over from their point of view and figure out how you would do it...Incrementalism is what they are setting you up for with that $50/head fee...Mark my word, that fee won't stay there long....If they are truly out to close everyone down, they will use that as an opportunity and a tool to price everyone out of business if they can't regulate them out...


*


If it were me, I would hold their feet to the fire and fight them like no tomorrow on both the $2k fee, hunting licenses, and this bogus head-fee...You have a judge on record as saying that the deer are private property....Right there, that proves no jurisdiction for a license...Just food for thought...




Although i agree with this to a point i also believe if you look at that state that bent a bit and worked with their DNR you will see an industry inside that state that is very successful and you do not see their states name in the news making waves.. If deer are Ag then they could very well make up rules like dairy farms that have to do with waste disposal and numerous other farm rules. If 50 bucks a deer would have saved my border from being closed you can bet i would be cutting the check. I sure have lost much more. Sometimes its best to play ball their way or they very well may shove the bat right up your ---. Dont think for a second they cant do it because we found out different and without big $ to fight the fight, they will shove it deep!
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Old Feb 18th 2015, 05:08 AM   #27
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Mike, the bill also says that only Indiana born deer may be harvested in the preserves. So the border is basically closed to preserves by the bills language but not producers.
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Old Feb 18th 2015, 05:39 AM   #28
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Mike, the bill also says that only Indiana born deer may be harvested in the preserves. So the border is basically closed to preserves by the bills language but not producers.




Wonder who got that brain fart to come up with that one. That is what you call your state trying to help your producers. Same thing they told us here, They are protecting us they say. Thats why i am going to have both breeding and hunting on my property.


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This bill has not gained any traction has it?
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Old Feb 18th 2015, 03:07 PM   #29
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  Northeast Wisconsin

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Really! What difference does it make if the deer are born in Indiana or elsewhere?? They will be dead either way. And compensate the state for what loss? These weren't their deer to begin with! Like I said earlier, hunters will come from out of state. Will the state kick back some of that extra money out of state hunters bring in, spending on food, gas whatever?? Ridiculous!
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 04:47 PM   #30
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  Feb 2013
  Markleville IN


The leader of the Indiana Senate said Wednesday that a bill to legalize and regulate fenced deer hunting will remain in the rules committee he controls until the GOP caucus finds a solution “that’s fair and reasonable.”


Senate President Pro Tem David Long, R-Fort Wayne, said if that solution can be found, he’ll send House Bill 1453 to the natural resources committee for a hearing.


“Right now, we are in a grey area, where no one really know what the law is,” Long said.


The bill – already approved by the House – aims to end a 10-year battle over the legality of fenced deer hunting. In 2005, the Indiana Department of Natural Resources tried to shut down several fenced preserves. One sued and the Court of Appeals recently ruled the DNR has no authority to regulate wild animals on private land.


The House legislation would only allow pre-existing facilities to receive a license. Only four are currently in operation under a court injunction – in Harrison, Blackford, Kosciusko and Marshall counties.


Long has stopped fenced hunting bills in the past while waiting for the courts to weigh in. Now, he said he’ll be looking for a fair solution before moving forward with the legislation.
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