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Old Mar 1st 2015, 05:57 PM   #31
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The leader of the Indiana Senate said Wednesday that a bill to legalize and regulate fenced deer hunting will remain in the rules committee he controls until the GOP caucus finds a solution “that’s fair and reasonable.”


Senate President Pro Tem David Long, R-Fort Wayne, said if that solution can be found, he’ll send House Bill 1453 to the natural resources committee for a hearing.


“Right now, we are in a grey area, where no one really know what the law is,” Long said.


The bill – already approved by the House – aims to end a 10-year battle over the legality of fenced deer hunting. In 2005, the Indiana Department of Natural Resources tried to shut down several fenced preserves. One sued and the Court of Appeals recently ruled the DNR has no authority to regulate wild animals on private land.


The House legislation would only allow pre-existing facilities to receive a license. Only four are currently in operation under a court injunction – in Harrison, Blackford, Kosciusko and Marshall counties.


Long has stopped fenced hunting bills in the past while waiting for the courts to weigh in. Now, he said he’ll be looking for a fair solution before moving forward with the legislation.




Fair is good but i would think the end result would be that anyone can open a ranch as long as a set amount of acres are fenced in. No less than 100 acres or such a matter.
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Old Mar 1st 2015, 06:02 PM   #32
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I don't think it will go any further until the appeal is rule on.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 04:58 AM   #33
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The latest on the Indiana bill, does Crider not know what a constitutional taking is???? Evidently not. This appears to be heading the wrong way.





Senate President Pro Tem David Long, R-Fort Wayne, is urging both sides of the debate around Indiana’s high-fenced deer hunting preserves to work out a deal before he lets a bill legalizing the facilities advance.


This year’s bill, which legalizes only existing preserves, is already a scaled-down version of previous legislation, which would have allowed the industry to expand.


Sen. Sue Glick, R-LaGrange, the bill’s Senate sponsor, says the work now is to address remaining concerns, including ones about morality. She says that likely involves ensuring the preserves are big enough and include enough wooded areas and ground cover.


“We want to ensure this is a sportsman-like hunt, that these animals are not drugged or sedated,” she says.


But Sen. Michael Crider, R-Greenfield, a former conservation officer and one of the leading voices opposed to the preserves, says his issues lie with the threat of disease.


Many argue the preserves could lead to the spread of chronic wasting disease, which has yet to spring up in Indiana.


Glick says she’s also looking at potential restrictions on importing deer across state lines into the preserves as a way to help prevent the spread of chronic wasting disease, but Crider says one area he wants addressed is what happens if there is an outbreak in a preserve.


Currently, the state would have to compensate the owner after their herd is destroyed. Crider wants some sort of bonding requirement to reduce the state’s costs.


“It turns out that DNR’s paying sportsmen’s dollars to clean up something that’s a private enterprise; I think that’s completely wrong,” Crider says.


Crider also wants to halt the import of deer across state lines, an issue he admits is broader than just the hunting preserves.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 08:26 AM   #34
 
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There has to be room for growth to sustain the industry.* The rules and regs also has to be able to allow us to compete in the market place. I haven't heard of a show stopper yet but things have to remain reasonable.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 08:35 AM   #35
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When they think they are above the constitution there are issues!!!! That's assuming what is in the article is factual about no indemnity.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 08:50 AM   #36
 
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They have always thought they are above the law, thats why Ive been in a lawsuit for 10 yrs.* Will know more in couple days.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 11:47 AM   #37
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If the states border is closed to preserves by the bill and a preserve then gets a CWD positive, logic would indicate the source of the positive came from the uncontrolled wild herd. If the uncontrolled states deer infected the privately owned ranches deer then endemnity should be paid as to any other kind of farmer in my opinion. I would argue that if the bill closes the border to out of state hunt bucks then the state pays endemnity. Leave it open to out of state hunt bucks and the state pays no endemnity. If Senator Long is sincere about fairness in my opinion this would be fair.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 12:52 PM   #38
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Dad met with Senator Long today and will likely again tomorrow. Senator Long is a fiscal conservative. I cannot say more at this time.
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Old Mar 4th 2015, 01:29 PM   #39
 
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If their intent is to hinder our ability to operate and compete fairly there will be no bill.* Then next year we will do it all over again and there will be 30 preserves started up and in business.* From all the conversations I've had we can get this done,**
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Old Apr 13th 2015, 02:13 PM   #40
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Looks like HB1453 went down the WRONG path.* 4 preserves in Indiana, thats it.* All that money and things are just the same as they were before it all started.* I feel terrible for the deer farmers of Indiana.
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Old Apr 13th 2015, 02:52 PM   #41
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And my understanding is idefa supports this. Todd this happened when I was on the board too. A bill mysteriously appeared and nobody knew where it came from hmmmmm. Stupid to think that once they approve 4 you can get more when they won't approve more for the last 10 yrs!!!!! Let it die and let the court rule. 3/4 judges have already said DNR had no jurisdiction to do what they did.
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Old Apr 13th 2015, 03:07 PM   #42
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It will not pass this way. There are both democrats and republicans in the Indiana legislature who are free market capitalist.
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Old Apr 13th 2015, 03:09 PM   #43
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Old Apr 13th 2015, 05:09 PM   #44
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It will not pass this way. There are both democrats and republicans in the Indiana legislature who are free market capitalist.




Then you wait another year???????
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Old Apr 13th 2015, 06:20 PM   #45
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If it doesn't pass anyone in Indiana will still be able to own and operate a preserve. We have a very conservative Supreme Court in Indiana. The current language in this bill is bologna. Our neighbors in Illinois still have the same number of preserves that they had 5 years ago. This is an attempt at a monopoly. There were more than 4 preserves in Indiana when the DNR made the administrative rule to shut them down. Why are only the 4 preserves named in the lawsuit who chose to violate the statute being given preference over those who followed the statute in this amended legislation? Let free enterprise remove undesirable facilities.
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