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View Poll Results: Would a Venison market work?
No way waste of time never work! 8 11.76%
Could work but not worth all the regulations we would have to go through 13 19.12%
Yes we should look into this as another end market for the deer farmer 33 48.53%
Not sure but would be open to look at if it would or wouldn't work 14 20.59%
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Old Oct 3rd 2009, 11:32 AM   #16
 
  Apr 2009
We are allowed to sell venison from our herds hear in Ohio. We do own them so I always thought in all states we could sell then for meat. we have to put down who we sold to name and address. I have only sold a few wilder does that way and main reason I could not get close enough to dart them. Most of all my does now are baottle fed and I love how they calm done all the other deer. The fawns of my bottled fed does will come up within few feet of me and are not spooky at all. It is nice to have clam herd.
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Old Oct 3rd 2009, 02:32 PM   #17
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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The only way the venison market for whitetails could be successful is if it were marketed as a high price specialty. It would need to be sold as WHITETAIL venison to distinquish from red deer. People would have to believe it was something special and not plentiful. The push would have to be in the big cities where it would seem exotic. Wisconsin Whitetail venison for example in Chicago - a specialty of the house - or something like that. It all revolves around the marketing.
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Old Oct 3rd 2009, 05:16 PM   #18
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  Apr 2009
  PA

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If you hit people and places at the right time ...Go to gun shows,sport nights ect...You can sell a ton of jerkey...I like to stick with the plain old me here's my stuff. It's a good local product.
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Old Jan 23rd 2010, 04:04 PM   #19
 
  Apr 2009
  Del Norte, CO
As someone who lives off the meat business, I think many miss the point of a vension market. You dont raise deer for the meat business, the economics are too thin right now to just grow meat. And In the longer run, you can not expect higher prices for meat, because the consumer is fickle. this is just another form of red meat and anyone can just buy beef, or pork or whatever, if the price goes too high. If the price is too high, you wont have a market.



For us, the Meat is the salvage value for animals that have a higher purpose, be it breeding, trophies or in the case of elk, velvet production.



BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH THE CULLS ...... the old, the ugly, the non-producers, the below average critters??



selling them to other breeders? Great, half the animals out there are BELOW AVERAGE. that is not so good for the state of the industry, breeding with below average animals. thanx goes to some greedy breeders palming off crap.



Eating them yourself? hmmm I am sick of venison day in and day out.



Just Shooting and burying them?.... no money in that.



Well deer farmers, you make meat out of them! Salvage the meat! Increase the genetic value of the entire industries herd.



Just like my old Ford Pickups. A new one is $40K, and older worn out one without all the fancy dodads is maybe $5K. Eight fold less than a fancy new one. Is it any different for an old DOE? I'll pay you $150 for a big Northern White Doe. Not as good as $1200 (8X$150) for a fancy new doe, but it is cash flow! Pay your bills with the cash flow!



You are missing a critical portion of any livestock business.



CRITTERS MUST HAVE A SALVAGE VALUE! A meat business is the salvage value.



A real-life lesson for all you guys. What happened to the horse business when slaughter was prohibited???? You know the answer to that one!



EAT MORE MEAT! DEER
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Old Jan 23rd 2010, 05:46 PM   #20
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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We don't raise deer for meat - but they raise red deer for meat and it all gets marketed as venison. That is why whitetail venison would have to be distinquished. It could garner a high price in the right restaurants. It is not plentiful since this is not the primary reason we raise deer and whitetails don't produce as much meat as red deer. That is why with the right marketing campaign it could be a delicacy - it is low in fat and healthy for you. The right people with the right marketing could do it - if they had the time and money.
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Old Jan 23rd 2010, 07:25 PM   #21
 
  Apr 2009
  Carrollton, MO
Trust me, those of us (including myself) that have some really "generic" genetics: Rainbow and Always Save deer would jump on this bandwagon at least once per year. Last year I sold 10 does just to get them off my inventory and to avoid a $22 CWD testing fee imposed by the state per head. I was going to make jerky out of about 6 but when I was offered what I was, and the market was...well, we all know, I had to take it. The problem in this state (at least for now) is that we have no allowance from the state to "sell" venison. We can sell a hide or antlers, but no meat. I've been desperate enough-though I never followed through, to advertise "free meat" with the purchase of a hide. I'd be totally for the sale of venison in this state.



And for the record, I'm unable to cast a vote on this thread for some reason, so I'll say I'd go for it. I'm too addicted to my whitetail friends to let them go, though they're eating my business profits right and left, down and up.
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Old Jan 24th 2010, 06:49 AM   #22
 
  Apr 2009
  Between shipshy and Indy
Could the hunting preserves use these does to bring in new hunters.

When someone books a hunt with them they could bring someone with to harvest a doe for free. This would open the eyes of someone that may not have initially paid for a hunt to begin with. Who knows he may see those big bucks and get the fever and decide he wants to try for a buck while hes there. I would be all for donating cull does to a preserve that would promote like this.
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Old Jan 24th 2010, 12:40 PM   #23
 
  Aug 2009
  Everett, PA
Yes there is a market to sell does on hunting ranch’s. There is not much profit in them but as you said it does bring hunters in and sooner or later they will hunt something else. It’s also a great way to introduce young hunters to the joy and accomplishment of their first kill with dad.

How ever know that purchasing does and hunting them will not work on all ranch’s. One of our ranch’s is 175 acres, it is plenty big enough for a hunt but small enough to find all the deer and harvest them. Most all the bucks and does are killed by April so I do not have to feed them for the next six months. We have all found out feed chews up profits.

On out main ranch of 325 acres we only turn loose our best does to propagate the hunting area for better genetics , producing better shooters. Bigger hunting ranch’s that focus on breeding in the right direction must be very cautious of the quality of does being released into their ranch’s. If not done right all deer must be hunted out 6-8 years later just to start all over again.

Have some of the smaller ranch owners email me and I will share with them how to make money hunting your does. We shot over 80 doe sand 23 bucks on 12/19/09. If you live in Pa. I need 150 does for next year and we already have deposits from hunters for half of them.
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Old Jan 24th 2010, 02:19 PM   #24
 
  Oct 2009
  Dallas,Pa
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If you live in Pa. I need 150 does for next year and we already have deposits from hunters for half of them.


I know of an older man that wants to cull out his herd next year what will you be offering per doe? And I'll let him know.
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Old Jan 24th 2010, 02:22 PM   #25
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  Apr 2009
  Northeast Wisconsin

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We have a hunting preserve and we have does on it. We do not count on production from them but whatever we get is a bonus. We like to shoot them out every couple years and put in new ones to upgrade any genetics we might get. The market for hunting does is very small I believe. We do get some that will shoot one as a second deer or let a child shoot one as their first deer - but we sure don't make any money at it. Our hunts are 3 days and we include lodging and meals and a guide, so we have to cover our costs at a minimum. We would much rather see someone shoot a small buck for a second deer or for a child's first deer.
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Old Jan 24th 2010, 03:10 PM   #26
 
  Aug 2009
  Everett, PA
Please have him give me a call. I may be able to help him thin down his herd this winter and save some feed bills.

The more deer we can move this year makes more room for next year sellers.

814-931-4400 Andy

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Originally Posted by Tundra Ridge Whitetails
I know of an older man that wants to cull out his herd next year what will you be offering per doe? And I'll let him know.
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Old Jan 30th 2010, 04:53 PM   #27
 
  Apr 2009
  Del Norte, CO
[quote name='ANTLER VALLEY'].... The problem in this state (at least for now) is that we have no allowance from the state to "sell" venison. We can sell a hide or antlers, but no meat. .....[QUOTE]





Antler Valley: What State are you in. Perhaps this is a project for NADeFA to tackle.





the industry needs a viable meat industry to clear out the culls.
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Old Mar 3rd 2010, 05:46 PM   #28
 
  Mar 2010
  lorain OH
there is market for deer from older hunters who like meat but cant hunt to guy who wants some smokies or sausage made its the variety of choices a seller gives the c ustomer plus your ratio of adding pork beef fat or trims two mix for unique flavor profiles you need to come up with a plan to raise deer as grind only and then use deer meat as a base for variety of products based on grinds not just straight deer meat
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Old Mar 3rd 2010, 06:00 PM   #29
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  Jul 2009
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I think the night hunters here would have a field day if you could sell venison. They shoot them now just to see if they can hit them. The state conservation departments would croak if this happened but they could make money from fining the road hunters. I think the game wardens could forget sleeping at night. The good thing is people would have to come to an enclosure to hunt because there would not be any deer left in the wild within a few years.

In reallity I would like to be able to sell does that do not produce well for meat but I can't see the conservation departments allowing this.
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